RE: [acsr] Re: Lanshare and the Mac File count limit

Date : Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:39:06 -0400
To : <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
From : "Jean-Marc Porchet" <jmporch(at)Softimage.COM>
Subject : RE: [acsr] Re: Lanshare and the Mac File count limit
Tony,

You are not the only one that suggested this and Philippe at customer
support is working on such utility. I can't give an ETA yet but it
should not be too long. 

Jean-Marc Porchet
Avid DS project lead  

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From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf
Of tony(at)hdheaven.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:41 AM
To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: re: [acsr] Re: Lanshare and the Mac File count limit

fwiw I've been suggesting a utility for clearing up not only empty but
also orphaned storage GUID folders since v2....

Another one for the wish list I guess.

Regards,
Tone :)


>
> okay ken, stuart, sylvain:  i have one for you.
>
> 2 DS Nitrii and 2 RPees on a dedicated unity.  7.5 QFE4.
>
> each cpu and MII array has it's own port on the vixel.
>
> one allocation group, one workspace per MII array (7 arrays)
>
> videostorages and audiostorages on each workspace.
>
> MANY projects online and archived.
>
> DS handles media differently than MC.  on unity, MC stores media in a 
> subfolder of the main OMFI MediFiles folder on each workspace.  DS 
> stores its media in a folder named with the PROJECT's GUID (one of 
> those long system numbers like what gets tacked onto a OMFI mediafile 
> name).  one folder for audio, one for video.  with the same names!  
> (be very carefull copying media in a DS environment).  the video file 
> folders go in a main folder usually called videostorage and the audio 
> files folders into an audiostorage folder.
>
> (7 arrays * 1 workspace per array * 1 videostorage folder * # of 
> projects ever opened on the system) + (7 arrays * 1 workspace per 
> array * 1 audiostorage folder * # of projects ever opened on the 
> system) = a very large number after a year or so.
>
> unity has limits.  10,000 folders,  500,000 files.  exceeed them with 
> caution.
>
> the client setup: 2 DSes, 2 RPs.   LOTS and LOTS of projects go
through
> this system monthly.  check setup manager on the unity: 36,000 
> folders!!!!!!!  only about 300,000 files.  most of the folders were
empty.
>  turns out DS doesn't clean up after itself.  delete a project and 
> it's media, the project's media folders are left behind, empty.  
> cluttering up the unity.
>
> my suggested QFE is a small program that deletes empty GUID folders.
>
> i pointed this out to DS ACSR support a couple of times but never 
> heard back.
>
> thought i'd throw it out here and the DS-L and see what happens.
>
> stuart, sylvain???
>
> -chris kippes
> A C S R
> Dess, Unetee, Windoes, Mak
> keycodemedia
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------
>> Dave is also correct.  The problem is not LanShare versus local 
>> storage, but rather the OS in general.  It has to do with Disk 
>> Caching that has to happen to track files.
> The thing to remember, though, is that the file limit for LanShare 
> gets extended by multi-client setups.  Since you have individual 
> client folders within the OMFI MediaFiles folder on LanShare, each of 
> those can have the file limit (I usually say 1200 for OS 9 and 2000 
> for OS X, but the OS X figure is a conservative estimate).  So, an 
> OMFI MediaFiles folder could have 4000 media files in it for a 2 
> client setup, 6000 in a 3 client setup, etc., etc.  That may be why
you haven't noticed issues before.
> -Ken
>
>
> From: Dave French [mailto:dave(at)simvideo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 3:18 PM
> To: acsr
> Subject: [acsr] Re: Lanshare and the Mac File count limit 
> Unfortunately, your client is right. LANshare's are not immune to the 
> file count limit. I've hit it on both OS9 and OSX systems using
LANshare's.
> I've heard many variations on what the limit is but from my experience

> I wouldn't go much above 1200 - 1300 files on an OS9 system. For OSX 
> keep it under 3000, usually around 2700 seems ok.
> hope that helps.
> Dave
> On Jun 13, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Ed Segeren wrote:
> We're moving a LanShare-based project from Toronto (PC Avids) to LA 
> (OS9 Avids).
> Client has been told that it's best to re-distribute the media files 
> onto multiple workspaces in order to avoid the Mac demons that surface

> once the file count closes in on 2000 per folder.
> "OK,"  I say, "that's the way it should be for local storage on a Mac.
> But for a LanShare scenario, it's not a concern."
> But he's got me thinking about it.  Even worse, he's got me thinking 
> that he's right.
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