Re: Argument against native HDV

["gvision" <gvision(at)yesnet.co.za>]

Hi Tim

 

The softness has a lot to do with both the camera and the compression its not bad for what it is but you have to pay the piper sometime.

There are no free lunches in HD you pays your money and takes your chances.

Play with it and know where the holes are and work around it as much as you can.

I am posting a Indy feature shot doccie style on the domestic version of the camera on FCP5 playing out to HDSDI monitor its not bad.

Some of the material was over exposed due to the fact they used no lights and they were shooting dark faces backlit by the African mid afternoon sun.

Indeed this is a challenge for any camera film HD or otherwise. Where the light allowed them to the exposure was great and so were the pictures.(for what it is). This is my first HDV post job and I'm sure it won't be the last, so I will be looking at all the options for keeping the signal as clean as I can.

 

Long may the debate rage its not going away soon.

Much more than 10 c it must be pay day.

 

Graham

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Bolt

To: DS(at)Softimage.COM

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:04 AM

Subject: RE: Argument against native HDV

I?ve recently completed an SD show that was shot on HDV and HDcam.

 

The show was cut on Xpress pro, ingest of the HDV and HDcam being via downconverted firewire.

 

To get the downconverted HDV into DS we just copied it to a media folder and linked to it via AFE.

 

For the HDCam material we re-conformed via the downconverted SDI op of a JH3.

 

This all went without a hitch.

 

However the difference in picture quality is immediately apparent, the HDV stuff being much softer.

 

This could be the downconverter in the HDV camera or just HDV.

 

But then what do you expect from a £3k camera?

 

 

Ta

 

Tim

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From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of Tony Quinsee-Jover
Sent: 29 July 2005 09:27
To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: Re: Argument against native HDV

 

Hi Graham,

How good is FCP's HDV to HD SDI RT conversion?

Regards,
Tone :)


At 02:16 29/07/2005, you wrote:

How about Capture conform HDV in FCP and play out HDSDI  live grab to DS import edl ( for splitting sequence) and off you go.
Its pretty painless.
 
Graham

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Quinsee-Jover

To: DS(at)Softimage.COM

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:59 AM

Subject: RE: Argument against native HDV

I think the point that's being missed here is whether you'd want to edit native even if you could (like FCP can right now).

There was another thread yesterday on an FCP list where the consensus appeared to be "Forget native HDV - where are the benefits?". 

Whatever your destination format, the timeline still has to be rendered, and that takes a looooooong time.

So I'd just like to see Sony bring out an HDV VTR with 422 control and an HD SDI output.  Or get a box which achieves the same thing, which currently the Miranda box won't do.

Regards,

Tone :)

At 16:38 26/07/2005, you wrote:

I concur that the best way to handle HDV is to have a lesser system to deal with the files such as a FCP or an Adrenaline. (I can here the shouts of protest from the FCP crowd already :-)) If HDV has to be used on the DS then it must be frame by frame up-converted.

 

The DS and other high end systems seem best used for "premium" source material. It has been demonstrated many times over that the quality of the source footage is not NEARLY as important as who post produces and edits it!

 

Howard

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From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [ mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of Tony Quinsee-Jover

Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:13 AM

To: DS(at)Softimage.COM

Subject: Argument against native HDV

Hiyas,

We all know we need HDV support.  And when do we want it?... yeah, yeah...

I've argued for a long time that editing native HDV didn't make a lot of sense to me - not unless you were going to end up laying back to HDV. So, more logically, you'd convert on import to whatever your destination format is.  That's what makes sense to my little brain.

Reading on a few FCP lists recently it appears that folks who already have the ability to edit native prefer to convert to some form of intermediate codec for the same reasons.  Plus, as one FCP editor put it "Native HDV is nice but the biggest downside to it is that when you go to do a render or export the final build it takes forever for the computer to convert i,b,p frames into the new i,b,p frames."

So, does anybody want to take up the gauntlet and argue FOR staying native?

I don't have any problem here, I'm just interested in seeing if there are any overwhelming arguments for or against.

Cheers,

Tone :)

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