href=3D"mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM">DS(at)Softimage.COM</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 11, 2005 =
10:23=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> SV: Re: RE : AW: The =
stone age=20
DS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000000>It sure seems they are alot more =
willing to try=20
something new.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As=20
long as it is 999$.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D788052317-11082005><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Rune</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<BR><B>Fra:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM">owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM</A>=20
[mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM]<B>P=E5 vegne af =
</B>AAP<BR><B>Sendt:</B> 11.=20
august 2005 19:03<BR><B>Til:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM">DS(at)Softimage.COM</A><BR><B>Emne:</B> =
Re: Re:=20
RE : AW: The stone age DS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe then Avid should be targeting =
FCP users=20
not MC editors. It sure seems they are alot more willing to try =
something=20
new. Maybe FCP to DS courses are in order.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael Forrest</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dswitthaus(at)mac.com =
href=3D"mailto:switthaus(at)mac.com">Scott=20
Witthaus</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DDS(at)Softimage.COM=20
href=3D"mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM">DS(at)Softimage.COM</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 11, =
2005 9:09=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Norton AntiSpam] =
Re: RE :=20
AW: The stone age DS</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>y'know what is amusing about FCP making in-roads on =
Avid?=20
For years, a big objection from Media Composer users was that the =
DS=20
interface was too different to learn. So Avid spends time and =
money=20
'dumbing down' the DS interface to be more Media Composer like. =
Here comes=20
FCP (which some say reminds them more of the earlier DS look), and =
you=20
don't hear MC editors complaining like that FCP is too different =
to=20
learn...just an interesting point and =
ironic.<BR><BR>sw<BR><BR><BR>On Aug=20
11, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Hollis, Mark (NBC Universal) wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>I=20
have been reviled on this list as "too much of a Mac fanboy" and =
have=20
offered the occasional comment on FCP. I initially bought =
version 2 of=20
the software and, though I don't have the latest version, I can =
do HD on=20
my Mac G4 (it has a 1GHz processor upgrade and 1.5G of system =
RAM).<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param=
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>I=20
=
don't.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?para=
m Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>I=20
am working very hard on DS right now and FCP seems too much like =
work.=20
When I get home after a long commute I want to read a book and =
relax,=20
not =
edit.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param=
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>But=20
here are a few comments about=20
=
FCP:<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
It does not necessarily play well with others (you need =
Automatic Duck=20
to get lists in and out of =
it).<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
It does not have a manufacturer-certified BOB (like the =
Adrenaline,=20
Nitris and Mojo units). This=20
allows<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> =20
the software company to blame the hardware company and =
vice-versa.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
It does not have a manufacturer-certified hard disk array (but =
Apple=20
does make a HD array and=20
recommends<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> =20
it for use with their X-Serves and =
mini-towers).<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
It is dependent on the CPU for rendering -- the BOB is not a =
complete=20
assist (like the Nitris). The=20
Apple<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> switch=20
to Intel may create a lot of chaos =
here.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
You are truly on your own here. You cannot purchase a support =
agreement=20
for the software like you =
can<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> =20
from Avid. It's up to you to determine the worth of Avid's =
support=20
agreements versus Apple's=20
=
non-support.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> -=20
Purchasing FCP and the equipment you need to do normal =
definition TV=20
(including everything Howard =
likes<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller> =20
to rant about needing) is under $20,000 (USD) HD is =
more.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?smaller>-----Original=20
=
Message-----<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>=20
Kevin Johnson =
[mailto:kjohnson(at)coolfiremedia.com]<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?font=
family><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>=20
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:41 =
AM<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?para=
m Tahoma><?smaller>=20
RE: RE : AW: The stone age =
DS<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>Howard,=20
=
<?/x-tad-bigg=
er><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger> &=
nbsp; =20
Our Adrenaline Editor dumped his suite and built a top of the =
line FCP=20
Hi Def System with HUGE storage tons of plug-ins, all the =
current=20
apple editing, compositing, audio, etc. The whole suite =
cost=20
about $29,000 and he says it kicks the Adrenaline suites =
ass. He=20
swears by it. But....still, it's no =
DS...<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamil=
y><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger>KJ<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><B=
R><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0000,8080><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamil=
y><BR><?fontfamily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>-----Original=20
=
Message-----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] =
<?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of =
<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Chasteen, =
Howard<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:22=20
AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><=
?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param=
=
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfam=
ily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
RE: RE : AW: The stone age =
DS<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>I=20
agree. There are similar costs with all systems but for those =
who=20
bought Avid turnkey their systems included many of the items =
that have=20
to be considered separately for FCP...or even and =
Adrenaline.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?=
param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>I=20
just do not want folks running around thinking they can have a =
top=20
quality FCP system for $999. That is not accurate or even =
close.=20
Things that must be included =
are:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Software<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/=
fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>The=20
G5 or whatever =
platform<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?par=
am Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Memory<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fo=
ntfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Storage<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/f=
ontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>LOTS=20
of expensive =
plugins<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?para=
m Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Monitoring<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><=
?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Audio<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fon=
tfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>QC<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfa=
mily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>You=20
could also add =
in:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Consolure<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?=
/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Racks=20
and =
enclosures<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?p=
aram Verdana><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Audio=20
interfacing =
gear<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>etc=20
=
etc<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>It=20
adds up to a lot more than the much bandied-about prices for =
FCP=20
systems we hear off the tops of peoples =
heads.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param=
Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Howard<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fo=
ntfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><=
BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] =
<?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of =
<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Scott =
Witthaus<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:41 =
AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><=
?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param=
=
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfam=
ily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
Re: RE : AW: The stone age =
DS<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>But=20
Howard, to be fair, you need to add that 'good cost' to the=20
Ds/Symph/MCA set up as =
well.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>On=20
Aug 9, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Chasteen, Howard =
wrote:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Scott=20
said, referring to =
Avid,<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/font=
family><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>'By=20
God, we're mediocre and overpriced and that's our =
future!'<<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>ROFLMAO<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/f=
ontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>;-))<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/font=
family><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>PS:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontf=
amily><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>In=20
all fairness you must include the full hardware required to =
do a=20
suite as nice as a DS suite when you consider the price of =
FCP. I=20
know you can FCP on a laptop but that is pretty miserable =
compared=20
to a =
suite.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>It=20
is not just $1000 for the FCP software. They do NOT give =
away G5s!=20
And quality monitors, waveforms [perhaps], audio gear =
etc,etc really=20
matter and even if we built a FCP HD suite we figure we =
would spend=20
at least $20,000-$30,000 to "do =
it right"<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?p=
aram Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Of=20
course since we have much of the infrastructure already as =
many DS=20
owners do, then we could just switch it all over to an FCP =
system=20
with a new Mac and keep =
going.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?color><?param =
0000,0000,FFFF><?bigger><?bigger>Howard<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fo=
ntfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?=
fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] =
<?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>On Behalf Of =
<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>Scott =
Witthaus<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily=
><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:08 =
AM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><=
?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times =
New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfam=
ily><?param Tahoma><?x-tad-bigger>=20
Re: RE : AW: The stone age =
DS<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>OK,=20
this thread brings me up from the lurk... a DS user since v1 =
- v5,=20
beta tester, poster boy, etc.,...I have been arguing this =
topic on=20
various Avid =
boards.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times =
New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Avid=20
is a company that is facing extraordinary challenges. For =
the first=20
time in its corporate history, the Avid has real competition =
at all=20
levels of its product line from Final Cut Pro. The company's =
product=20
line is confusing and overlaps, multiple platform =
development takes=20
away focus from feature development, and of course the =
ancient and=20
whacked out price structure that the company continues to =
charge.=20
Oh, and the little fact that 30% of the value of the company =
disappeared in one day about 3 weeks ago. Yep, extraordinary =
=
challenges.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Final=20
Cut over DS? Final Cut over Symphony? Final Cut over =
Adrenaline? The=20
fact of the matter is a $999 piece of software can do a =
large=20
percentage of what a $80,000 Symphony can do. Add a few more =
options=20
to the system and it starts cutting into some of the things =
DS does.=20
It was almost comical when an Avid rep sent me a bid for an=20
adrenaline that was about 3 times higher than a full blown =
FCP suite=20
and tried to tell me that MCA was Avid's answer for FCP. =
Talk about=20
a =
switch!<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times =
New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>For=20
many smaller shops (like mine and Ricks) these are HUGE =
decisions,=20
and we weigh the cost versus features/power versus speed =
issue very=20
carefully. But when the costs start to get so far apart, you =
start=20
saying 'well, I can live without that' or 'there is another =
shop in=20
town I can get that process done at when the rare occasion =
arises'.=20
Luckily I have Thoughtstream Media (Woody Sherman) next door =
with=20
that shiny new DS Nitris!! Most of my finishing workflow =
goes thru=20
that DS as it is the best tool for the =
job.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>Avid=20
has yet to wake up to this. "But we are Avid...c'mon people, =
Avid!"=20
is the marketing strategy now, it seems. Yeah, so...If any =
of you=20
were at the NAB pre-show get together from Avid at the Hard =
Rock,=20
the announcement of a $90,000 Symphony Nitris box went over =
like a=20
lead balloon. Equal to the mood Lucas Wilson and I found =
when we=20
wondered in to the DS dinner at Yolis. Avid is stuck in the =
middle,=20
and really has no easy answers. The mid-range of this =
business is=20
the worst place to be. No volume, no big markup. ouch. DS is =
the=20
product that could be the easiest to consider 'hi-end' but =
the=20
company will not focus or truly invest in it. Get rid of DS =
and you=20
are telling the market 'by god, we're mediocre and =
overpriced and=20
thats our future!'. Hopefully there is a hybrid out there =
that might=20
satisfy both Symph and DS groups...but what do you charge =
and is it=20
far enough ahead of FCPHD for people like Rick and I to =
consider it.=20
And FCP keeps getting better and better at =
$999...<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times =
New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>IMHO=20
Avid is at a crossroad where some very fundamental changes =
need to=20
be made. The world has changed around them so fast, and they =
have=20
yet to make a move. Maybe that news market IS the place to =
be!<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>my=20
humble 2=20
cents.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily>=
<?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>On=20
Aug 9, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Gregory, Ryan =
wrote:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?bigger><?bigger>Don't=20
forget, smoke only has 1 undo. Now that's =
crazy!<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Verdana><?bigger><?bigger>On=20
8/9/05 10:36 AM, "Serge Verreault" =
<sverreault(at)s29post.com>=20
=
wrote:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param =
0000,0808,8080><?bigger><?bigger>BTW=20
did you know that on a Flame or Smoke, there's no =
Softness on=20
the wipes!!!!! (No =
kidding!)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0808,8080><?bigger><?bigger>Ok=20
they do have many other powerful features, but not this =
one....<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0808,8080><?bigger><?bigger>(=20
Ok I'm willing to trade softness on wipes for 3D =
compositing!!!)<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?=
param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>-----Message=20
=
d'origine-----<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>De=20
=
:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM=20
[<?color><?param =
0000,0E0E,EEEE>mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM]<?/color>=20
<B>De la part de</B> Rune =
Holm<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Envoy=E9=20
=
:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
August 9, 2005 4:02 =
AM<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=C0=20
=
:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Objet=20
=
:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
SV: AW: The stone age =
DS<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Good=20
for you Rick. I am a facility owner and operator myself =
and for=20
me going FCP would be the same as closing down my =
buisness.=20
Different clients different needs. It would be nice with =
a=20
Boxster =
though.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>I=20
think you are missing the point when you =
say:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>"in=20
my mind, that is what Flame, AE, Shake etc is =
for."<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Many=20
DS users have been competing with flame and doing so =
very well=20
for a long time but when the fx side of the swiss army =
knife=20
isn't getting any sharper release after release it =
starts to=20
become a little =
difficult.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times =
New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Good=20
luck whatever you decide to =
do.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Rune<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamil=
y><?param Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamil=
y><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>-----Oprindelig=20
=
meddelelse-----<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Fra:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?font=
family><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM=20
[<?color><?param =
0000,0E0E,EEEE>mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM]<?/color><B>P=E5=20
vegne af =
</B>Dsderanged(at)aol.com<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?pa=
ram Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Sendt:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fo=
ntfamily><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
8. august 2005 =
20:38<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Til:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?font=
family><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
=
DS(at)Softimage.COM<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Times New Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>Emne:<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fon=
tfamily><?param Tahoma><?bigger><?bigger>=20
Re: AW: The stone age =
DS<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger> <?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fon=
tfamily><?param Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Sorry=20
to be late on this thread but I gotta chime =
in.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>As=20
a early purchaser ( Ver 1.0 / Single Stream ) of DS, I =
liked=20
to say that when I first saw the DS, " I fell in love =
with=20
editing all over again." Like many here, I was a =
former=20
On-line > AVID guy and at the time, the DS combined =
all of=20
the tools we wanted. I purchased my system as a=20
Softimage product and was ready to break-away from the =
AVID=20
line for good. But then they bought Softimage.=20
There were rumors back then that they were gonna =
"kill"=20
the product because it competed with MC and Symphony, =
but=20
quite the contrary, they improved the product and it =
became=20
their flagship. I had mixed reactions back then =
and=20
still do today. On one level, I felt vindicated =
that the=20
system I chose to build my business turned out to be a =
smart=20
decision, but frustrated when I saw the =
"bastardization" and=20
"dilution" of the DS becoming more like =
MC.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>After=20
following this thread for awhile, I conclude that some =
of you=20
are not happy where they perceive the future of DS is =
headed.=20
Many of you want more "high end" effects but in =
my mind,=20
that is what Flame, AE, Shake etc is for. ( I am =
sure to=20
get totally flamed by that comment I know. ) =
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Remember,=20
the biggest selling feature / advantage to DS was =
being like "=20
A Swiss Army Knife" and some of you expect " A Chain =
Saw".=20
There is bound to be a plateau for ANY product =
to slow=20
advancement and features. That is where new =
products=20
come in to =
compete.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>For=20
me, my biggest complaint is simply cost. The =
cost to=20
upgrade my 3.01 system to current was in the $80K =
range.=20
That is simply unacceptable to me. I am =
still=20
doing 100% standard def work and FORCED to buy a HD =
box.=20
Don't need it ( right now ). Rather than =
add new=20
features, I would simply like to see the cost come =
down.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Although=20
not as elegant as a DS, there are numerous 3rd party =
programs=20
that coupled with FCP can and do compete with the DS, =
AT A=20
FRACTION of the cost. Sure, a few more steps in =
and out.<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Times New =
Roman><?bigger><?bigger>=20
<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>Right=20
now, in lieu of upgrading my DS, I am considering =
replacing it=20
with a 2nd full blown FCP suite for my growing =
business, and a=20
brand new Boxster S for me. ( Roughly the same dough. =
)=20
And my clients will be as happy as an alligator =
at a=20
lakeside pet parade. They just love the Apple =
Cinema=20
=
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<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?bigger><?bigger>So=20
before I get trashed, I respectfully remind you that I =
am a=20
facility owner/operator and I put my money where my =
mouth is.=20
My =
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