Re: Argument against native HDV

[Matthew Small <digital_only(at)earthlink.net>]

Just wanted to let everyone know that we got a JVC GR-HD1 in with a tape to digitize with Final Cut 5.  

The tape was 720/30P.  We were able to capture with Final Cut 5 over FireWire, but the preview window did not display the footage on import. We had to take the analog component output from the camera to view what was being captured as it was brought into the system.  Time code from the tape was transfered along with the video and stereo audio.  

Once captured, the HDV played in real time from the timeline out our Blackmagic card HD SDI.  We ended up going out to D5, but were unable to get control to do an assemble edit in the timeframe we had.  We crashed onto the D5 with new code.  When we attempted to perform an edit onto the D5, all of the HDV footage had to be rendered for output.  After the render, we got general error and weren't able to track down the cause.

Bottom line, we got it in, got it out, and it's being upconverted to HDCAM 1080/24Psf.


Until next time...

Matt Small
Pair of Hands
Sherman Oaks, CA

"If it was easy, everyone would do it."
 
On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:24 AM, Tony Quinsee-Jover wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> Be sure to let us know how you get on please :)
>
> Cheers,
> Tone :)
>
>
> At 19:28 28/07/2005, you wrote:
> > We're getting ready to do a test with the JVC HDV camera where we bring the data in over firewire into Final Cut Pro 5 and play out to D5 or HDCam.  Timecode from the HDV master might even come across... we'll find out...
> >
> > Until next time...
> >
> >  Matt Small
> >  Pair of Hands
> >  Sherman Oaks, CA
> >
> >  "If it was easy, everyone would do it."
> >
> >
> > On Jul 28, 2005, at 6:16 PM, gvision wrote:
> >
> > > How about Capture conform HDV in FCP and play out HDSDI  live grab to DS import edl ( for splitting sequence) and off you go. 
> > > Its pretty painless. 
> > >  
> > > Graham 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tony Quinsee-Jover 
> > > > To: DS(at)Softimage.COM 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:59 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Argument against native HDV
> > > >
> > > > I think the point that's being missed here is whether you'd want to edit native even if you could (like FCP can right now).
> > > >
> > > > There was another thread yesterday on an FCP list where the consensus appeared to be "Forget native HDV - where are the benefits?". 
> > > >
> > > > Whatever your destination format, the timeline still has to be rendered, and that takes a looooooong time.
> > > >
> > > > So I'd just like to see Sony bring out an HDV VTR with 422 control and an HD SDI output.  Or get a box which achieves the same thing, which currently the Miranda box won't do.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tone :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 16:38 26/07/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > I concur that the best way to handle HDV is to have a lesser system to deal with the files such as a FCP or an Adrenaline. (I can here the shouts of protest from the FCP crowd already :-)) If HDV has to be used on the DS then it must be frame by frame up-converted. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > The DS and other high end systems seem best used for "premium" source material. It has been demonstrated many times over that the quality of the source footage is not NEARLY as important as who post produces and edits it! 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Howard 
> > > > >
> > > > > From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [  mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of Tony Quinsee-Jover 
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:13 AM 
> > > > > To: DS(at)Softimage.COM 
> > > > > Subject: Argument against native HDV 
> > > > >
> > > > > Hiyas,
> > > > >
> > > > > We all know we need HDV support.  And when do we want it?... yeah, yeah...
> > > > >
> > > > > I've argued for a long time that editing native HDV didn't make a lot of sense to me - not unless you were going to end up laying back to HDV. So, more logically, you'd convert on import to whatever your destination format is.  That's what makes sense to my little brain.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reading on a few FCP lists recently it appears that folks who already have the ability to edit native prefer to convert to some form of intermediate codec for the same reasons.  Plus, as one FCP editor put it "Native HDV is nice but the biggest downside to it is that when you go to do a render or export the final build it takes forever for the computer to convert i,b,p frames into the new i,b,p frames."
> > > > >
> > > > > So, does anybody want to take up the gauntlet and argue FOR staying native?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have any problem here, I'm just interested in seeing if there are any overwhelming arguments for or against.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Tone :)
> > > > >
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