Just a stones throw away from the Avid stand at IBC 'Mistika' was tucked away in the corner of the hall.
I don't know a huge amount about this product - but the colour correction was amazing, real time HD colour correction with 6 vectors each can have a variety of masks - or vingettes that are trackable. It worked with the tangent devices colour control surface which has a lovely 'fluid head' feel.
Best of all this product reminded me of DS when I started using it on version 2.
This machine is pitched against DS and smoke etc - and is about to conform AAF projects with MXF media from Adrenaline as well.
Does anyone else know anything about this product?? It is the child of the ill fortuned 'Jaleo' (not sure if thats the spelling of that?!) but i'll be keeping a close eye on this machine - very interesting...
Paul
On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 01:11AM, Victor Wolansky <victorw(at)NATMEDIA.com> wrote:
>First, secondary color correction, a real one, not the one it have now,
>realtime if it is possible.
>
>You need to be able to animate absolutely all the parameters, levels can not
>be animated now.
>
>Also, and this in not directly related to the Color Correction node, but is
>very common to use masks to color correct things that selective color
>correction can not, because may be there is not key information to be used,
>so you need to make and animate masks. The matte node is very limited also,
>The blur of the mask is only X Y controllable, but it need to have Motion
>Blur, real motion blur things that moves in the real world when are shoot,
>have motion blur, and you can not recreate motion blur with a simple X Y
>blur. Also Blur of the mask need to be controlled point by point so you can
>have an un uniform feather in the mask to for example color correct a shadow
>that have perspective and the part close to the object that cast the shadow
>is hard and the part far from the object is soft. Or just to create shadows
>that look real. Simple and not expensive programs like Silhouette FX have
>those great tools, I would recommend AVID to try to license that technology.
>
>Vignettes with variable softness, trackeables too, with a faster tracking
>than the actual, actual tracking speed is very slow compared with any other
>package in the market, thanking in HD is incredible slow, again, many tools
>in the market can track single points in HD almost in real time.
>
>An improved interface, may be a complete new interface for the color
>correction node, like a new module, with a vectorscope for example. And
>chance to save multiple screen shots to compare.
>
>There is nothing new to invent, I think is just look to what the others in
>the market have, and try to stay at the same level.
>
>And the last, if you can not make it, encourage the plugin programes to make
>it for you, open your structure to allow others to help you. And that is not
>really the AVID philosophy.
>
>
>
>
>Victor Wolansky
>DS VFX Artist
>WEBsite
>Demo Reel
>815 Slaters Lane
>Alexandria. VA.
>443-797-3507
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of
>Seth Isaac Buncher
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:20 PM
>To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
>Subject: RE: IBC/ DI impact
>
>Victor,
>
>Exactly what do you think DS needs to become a great color corrector?
>
>Warm regards,
>Seth Isaac Buncher
>
>
>>From: "Victor Wolansky" <victorw(at)NATMEDIA.com>
>>Reply-To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
>>To: <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
>>Subject: RE: IBC/ DI impact
>>Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:42:05 -0400
>>
>>I don?t think you are missing anything; DS color correction is a very old
>>one, even when a few versions ago have some improvements, it is far from
>>being a great color corrector in my opinion. It is just good.
>>
>>
>>
>>Victor Wolansky
>>
>>DS VFX Artist
>>
>>WEBsite <http://www.e3post.com/>
>>
>>Demo Reel <http://www.e3post.com/reels/victorreel.html>
>>
>>815 Slaters Lane
>>
>>Alexandria. VA.
>>
>>443-797-3507
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of
>>Chris Smith
>>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:12 PM
>>To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
>>Subject: Re: IBC/ DI impact
>>
>>
>>
>>If DS is to be serious about DI and color correction in general, I think it
>>needs some very simple changes that make it more DaVinci like:
>>
>>
>>
>>Easy power windows and kilovectors. Yeah you can make them with a matte
>>piped into a color corrector and a keyer piped into a color corrector, but
>>to move quickly, I feel they should work more seamlessly. Of course if
>>they'd add the ability to create true Custom UI's for node trees we could
>>make great ones ourselves.
>>
>>
>>
>>But I'm a DS newb so I could be missing something.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Smith
>>
>>Partner/Film Director
>>
>>Sugar Film Production
>>
>>3699 McKinney #222
>>
>>Dallas 75204
>>
>>214.655.2662
>>
>>http://www.sugarfilmproduction.com
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:09 AM, rich tencza wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Whew.
>>
>>(Heavy exhale/sigh of relief:)
>>
>>
>>
>>--- Tony Quinsee-Jover <tony(at)hdheaven.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Rich.
>>
>>
>>
>>The comment (or announcement) that DS was to
>>
>>'become the DI box' appears to have been a
>>
>>hastily-dreamed-up-on-the-spur-of-the-moment
>>
>>announcement for NAB.
>>
>>
>>
>>It's not been mentioned since, and if it's the
>>
>>case, why was DS completely absent from BOTH of
>>
>>the Avid stands (Hall 1 and Hall 7) whereas Phony
>>
>>Nitris was in appearance on both, billed on both
>>
>>occasions as "The world's most powerful HD
>>
>>Editor" (which of course is complete bullsh1t
>>
>>because DS is way more powerful).
>>
>>
>>
>>Any improvements made in the DI workflow side of
>>
>>DS will have no impact on the rest of its
>>
>>operation. Rather, it will simplify some
>>
>>operations (such as DS's handling of file sources).
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Tone :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 15:17 12/09/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I know the concerns are that the DS "seems" to be
>>
>>slated to become the DI box. I have a general idea
>>
>>
>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>could someone explain exactly (and pardon my
>>
>>ignorance) what comprises the "Digital
>>
>>
>>
>>Intermediate"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>and its workflow that the DS is "supposed" to
>>
>>
>>
>>become?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>And if that does happen will it affect the present
>>
>>capabilities, tools and what the DS is right now
>>
>>
>>
>>(that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>we all know and love)? Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>RT
>>
>>
>>
>>--- Serge Verreault <sverreault(at)s29post.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Avid just can't say anything now.........
>>
>>
>>
>>And beside this List is monitored by the
>>
>>Competition.
>>
>>The Giant seems quiet but he's not.
>>
>>What play against them is Time.
>>
>>
>>
>>Are WE going to wait for it?
>>
>>That is the real question.
>>
>>
>>
>>Can you still be Competitive NOW without 3D
>>
>>Compositing Environment and
>>
>>no Planar Tracker and other crucial Features?
>>
>>
>>
>>How much longer the Users on this List are going
>>
>>
>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>wait?
>>
>>How much longer the Users on this List can wait
>>
>>without glimpse of the
>>
>>Future?
>>
>>
>>
>>These are the real question, the rest is
>>
>>
>>
>>irrelevant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This is Marketing and Management Job, not mine
>>
>>
>>
>>or
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony to do.
>>
>>
>>
>>Tone and I, are asking Avid to move and they
>>
>>
>>
>>don't.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Let's hope they know what they're doing and they
>>
>>won't have lost too
>>
>>much Market Share to the Competition.
>>
>>
>>
>>How many of you have lost Faith in DS and Avid?
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm afraid the vast majority of the Users has,
>>
>>and we certainly can't blame you!
>>
>>
>>
>>Maybe AVID should do an Official Poll with this
>>
>>question:
>>
>>
>>
>>Do you believe that AVID can compete
>>
>>(Pricing/Features) in the
>>
>>Middle-High End Editing Market, in a short/long
>>
>>term?
>>
>>
>>
>>Each day that passes, makes this Community more
>>
>>anxious and confused.
>>
>>
>>
>>Is 64 bits and DI workflow is what you're all
>>
>>waiting for?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Have a good DS Day!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Message d'origine-----
>>
>>De : owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM
>>
>>[mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] De la part
>>
>>de Timon Mahony
>>
>>Envoyé : September 12, 2005 8:56 AM
>>
>>À : DS(at)Softimage.COM
>>
>>Objet : RE: IBC
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony,
>>
>>
>>
>>I know, you said on Saturday night... (hope you
>>
>>weren't too much of a
>>
>>mess
>>
>>on Sunday) But, it was an effort for you to be
>>
>>
>>
>>told
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>what you were, and
>>
>>you
>>
>>alone... It doesn't bode well... This year DS
>>
>>
>>
>>truly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>was the "ginger
>>
>>stepchild" at the family reunion... And if the
>>
>>future is so bright, why
>>
>>aren't Avid handing the shades and sunscreen
>>
>>
>>
>>that is
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>specifications/road
>>
>>maps... Call me a traditionalist but, I'd like
>>
>>
>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>know where it's going
>>
>>before spending anymore money on it...
>>
>>
>>
>>Especially as
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Avid's attitude to
>>
>>the
>>
>>product/user base is in stark contrast to other
>>
>>manufacturers the
>>
>>majority
>>
>>of whom are more than willing to enter into
>>
>>
>>
>>dialogue
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>with present and
>>
>>potential customers, which is quite
>>
>>
>>
>>refreshing...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>Timon
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM
>>
>>[mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM]On Behalf Of
>>
>>Tony Quinsee-Jover
>>
>>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:06 PM
>>
>>To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
>>
>>Subject: RE: IBC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The future is not that dark :)
>>
>>
>>
>>T.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:35 12/09/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This made me laugh out loud.. but also
>>
>>
>>
>>angry/sad...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>There was no DS on either of the Avid stands
>>
>>
>>
>>(What
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>kind of message does
>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>project?), and only one in the demo suites
>>
>>
>>
>>upstairs... alongside 7/8 BS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Nitrii, and sitting in there, it felt like
>>
>>
>>
>>being
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>the first arrivals at
>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>funeral... And it was no surprise to find
>>
>>
>>
>>fellow
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>DS'ers all over the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Autodesk stand...
>>
>>
>>
>>I was told by the DS demo artist, and the sales
>>
>>
>>
>>monkey that they
>>
>>believed
>>
>>v8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>would be out around the end of the year and
>>
>>
>>
>>that it
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>would be 64bit...
>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>they could tell me nothing else about it,
>>
>>
>>
>>despite
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>being assured by the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>aforementioned sales monkey, that they would be
>>
>>
>>
>>showing v8 at the show
>>
>>three
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>weeks earlier... I have to say that it does
>>
>>
>>
>>seem
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>odd, that if you are
>>
>>going
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>to release it towards the end of the year, then
>>
>>
>>
>>surely you'd want to
>>
>>display
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>it, at the one big trade show before next years
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>=== message truncated ===
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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