Just to clarify my previous burst of, well... I didn't mean to say that DS
was the best option, or the worst, and yes I agree with Mark Hollis, it
doesn't play well with other. But does do some things better than others.
What I meant was that before buying, look at everything. Avid MC/Symphony
have the name recognition, DS doesn't. Final Cut has name recognition,
Discreet Smoke doesn't. Does that mean I would turn down a job where
everything was going to finish on a smoke/fire system? Or not recommend it
to my boss?
Is it the right tool? For cutting 30 second promos in a small market,
probably not. For doing promos from a live taped event and turning them
around in 30 minutes complete, again, probably not the right tools. But if
you have 8 hours or more to do some creative compositing and really massage
the picture to everyone's liking, then DS or Smoke or Shake are the tools.
And just cause someone can complete 4 yrs a college doesn't mean they're
right for the job. It just means they had the money to go, and the brains to
study hard enough the night before a test. (just a bit of sarcasm there,
don't go getting all bent out of shape you Dsers)
Anyway, relax, enjoy the holiday, and that Christmas 5 pack.
Marc
> From: Rich Torpey <rich(at)nyrhino.com>
> Reply-To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:36:16 -0500
> To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
> Subject: Re: My boss hates DS
>
> Hi Marc,
> I have to say that Phil hit the nail on the head - it's often not about the
> tool but the workflow. The workflow throughout the Media Composer line is
> pretty smooth and if you need to get the job done it's something to consider.
> If you can do 90-95% of the work without leaving the Media Composer world it
> may be a very productive approach to send only the tough effects shots out to
> DS/Discreet/AfterEffects/Fusion/Shake when needed.
> Please note that I've been a long time supporter of DS (we purchased the first
> DS in NYC post) but I'm a greater supporter of my facility and editors. I'll
> do what's needed to enable them to keep our clients happy without any
> particular allegiance to any manufacturer or technology.
>
> Richard Torpey
> VP Engineering
> Rhinoceros/MultiVideo Group
> 50 East 42 Street
> New York, NY 10017
> (212) 986-1577
> (212) 986-3833 fax
> (212) 692-4465 direct
>
>
> Marc Fisher wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure you've read all about the demise of DS...blah blah blah, but if
>> your Boss is so close minded to not look at different solutions to get the
>> job done right, how the H**l did he get the position as Post Super? Doesn't
>> that title mean, "The guy/girl who has to figure out how to get the job done
>> right, fastest, cheapest"??
>>
>> Express your concern with your next boss up. Not that you want to be a whiny
>> little wiener, but if your job is being hindered by someone who seems to
>> only think of himself..well then..
>>
>> And on top of that, since you're facility has been taken over by NFL, talk
>> to those guys. The ones at NFL films in jersey have at least 2 DS systems.
>> And I don't think their stuff looks bad one bit. (their stuff always looks
>> freakin awesome).
>>
>> Just my 2¢, and it burns me up every time I see the guys who've been
>> grandfathered into the position just because they were there the longest.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: editorphil <editorphil(at)gmail.com> <mailto:editorphil(at)gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM> <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
>>> <mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:58:33 -0600
>>> To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM> <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
>>> <mailto:DS(at)Softimage.COM>
>>> Subject: Re: My boss hates DS
>>>
>>> Hey John:
>>>
>>> I LOVE DS, however, if the vision of the future from your boss is to
>>> have a shared media pool environment from Avid DV to Adrenaline into
>>> Nitris to on air playback - well DS does not play well in this
>>> environment. It is sad to say that NITRIS cannot work in this
>>> collaborative environment seemlessly. This is probably what is
>>> driving the move to PhoneyNITRIS, because NITRIS cannot live in the
>>> collaborative work place of shared media to air. YES, NITRIS can take
>>> the shared media and use it, BUT ONCE TOUCHED BY NITRIS you cannot go
>>> back to other systems, including the play to air.
>>>
>>> I was sad to see Avid take the fragmented approach they did at NAB
>>> when Mojo/Adrenaline and NITRIS were introduced. This action was the
>>> death toll for DS NITRIS. Avid should have made EVERTHING ELSE
>>> compatible with DS NITRIS, but they did not and we are in the
>>> predicament we find ourselves today.
>>>
>>> I truely hope Avid does not turn their backs on DS NITRIS, for if they
>>> do some 4,000 plus systems are up for grabs, and Avid will not hold on
>>> to these systems or talented artists that use them day to day.
>>>
>>> Again, I LOVE MY DS NITRIS - I hope Avid does as well . . .
>>>
>>> Philip Herring
>>> Filmworkers Club - Nashville
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/05, Dsaustin35(at)aol.com <Dsaustin35(at)aol.com>
>>> <mailto:Dsaustin35(at)aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last year I took it upon myself to become a DS editor so I could free lance
>>>> and possibly get a full time job at a facility that has a DS. Instead I
>>>> have wound up doing some free lancing here in town (we only have two
>>>> facilities with DS in Charlotte, NC) and also I have been fortunate to have
>>>> unlimited access to a DS Nitris through our reseller here in town. I
>>>> currently work for NASCAR Images which has recently been taken over by a
>>>> bunch of NFL films and FOX guys, so we are having a change of the guards so
>>>> to speak and not everyone is cool with that. I quite frankly am excited
>>>> about all the changes.
>>>>
>>>> Well our vice president (who is from films) says we are eventually getting
>>>> a
>>>> DS, but my direct boss who is the post production supervisor HATES DS and
>>>> says media composer and symphony rule and not to mention DS to him again. I
>>>> cannot begin to tell you how much my DS classes have helped me in further
>>>> understanding my trade. Even on Media composer and After Effects I now
>>>> understand how to work with removing 3:2 pulldowns for graphics and even
>>>> editing in 24p which is imperitive since everything we do is on film or HD.
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe all these rumors about avid doing away with DS because of
>>>> Symphony Nitris. On symphony and media composer (they are really the same
>>>> box, lets face it) there is no composite interface like there is on DS.
>>>> That right there sells me on DS because I have to do compositing where I
>>>> work and it takes me forever to export quick times to After Effects, and
>>>> lets not forget how long it takes for it to render.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway my boss is very hard headed and has worked for NASCAR Images since
>>>> it
>>>> was just a hole in the wall and he does not welcome change. But to my
>>>> surprise his boss saw to it that my training expenses were reimbursed. So
>>>> hopefully we will have that wonderful DS soon.... Oh...uh...if Avid keeps
>>>> making it and we can breathe a sigh of relief and continue doing our work
>>>> the way it should be done!
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
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