Hi Scott -
The deck will not tell you what frame rate a tape was originally recorded
at. The only thing it will do is not playback audio in some circumstances
when you play the tape at the wrong speed. I used to have a chart that
showed, but I can't find it right now, so I did a test.
Anything recorded in the 24 fps range (24p, 23.98p) will playback audio at
any 25 fps speed (25p, 50i), but slightly sped up.
Likewise any 25 fps will playback at 24 fps, only slowed down.
Neither 24 fps or 25 fps will playback audio at any of the 30 fps speeds
(30p, 29.97p, 59.94i or 60i) and the 30 fps tapes won't playback audio at 24
or 25 fps speeds.
Any tape will playback audio if played back at any speed in its range, ie. a
29.97p tape will playback audio at 60i.
At least that's what it looked like to me. YMMV.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Roy" <Scott.Roy(at)seriousrobots.com>
To: <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
Graham/Marc;
We've finally got the deck in......Here's were my inexperience with the 500
come into play....The tape was NOT labeled correctly (or at all) and does
not clearly state the frame rate?? How do I tell?? Does/will the deck tell
me?? Right now I'm shooting in the dark!! and checking all the frame
rates...would be nice to know for sure!!
//s
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM on behalf of Marc Fisher
Sent: Wed 12/28/2005 10:46 PM
To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: Re: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
Isn't all this the same as what I had written in the first place? If you
have a 30 sec spot, I needs to remain a 30 second spot, not 31,32,33, or 34.
The 4% increase does no good. He's using master tapes, and needs to re-purp
them for the US market (NTSC). They still need to be 30. So either way, he's
going to need to do a time warp which equals render time. Or go get a UFC
and do it that way.
Marc
> From: Bogdan Grigorescu <bogdan_grigorescu(at)yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:57:17 -0800 (PST)
> To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM" <DS(at)Softimage.COM>
> Subject: RE: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>
> As for Pitch shifter, you have one in the audio section of your DS
Timewarp.
> Not sure about its quality, but it has all the tools.
> If you decide not to timewarp the video, you'll need only the pitch
shift.
> If you do timewarp the video, then you'll need both duration change and
> pitch shift.
>
> Bogdan
>
> Scott Roy <Scott.Roy(at)seriousrobots.com> wrote: Bodgan,
>
> Thanks for the note. I'm confused as to why it would be 4% longer??
> Would you still need a timewarp then??
>
> And how are people dealing with the audio pitch?? Maybe a remix from
> protools??
>
> Im actually out today, but will be in tomorrow to iron this stuff
> out....Thanks for the help!!
>
> //s
>
>
>
> scott roy | editorial
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>
>
>
>
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> From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf
Of
> Bogdan Grigorescu
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:23 PM
> To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
> Subject: RE: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Graham's suggested workflow is the best as it does not introduce any
picture
> artifacts(1 to 1 frame relationship) and it's real time from start to
end.
> There are 2 downsides though, they may or may not affect you:
> -program duration is 4% longer
> -audio pitch will be lower(I would say noticeably)
>
> For your HD master, the deck doesn't need the PullDown board. But for
the SD
> version you'll need it, unless you're happy with the DS downconverted
> output(lame at best).
>
> Bogdan
>
> Scott Roy <Scott.Roy(at)seriousrobots.com> wrote: Graham;
>
> Thanks for the info...we are getting the deck in today.....It's
supposed
> to have all the bells and whistles...we'll check it out.....Looks like
> this might be a better solution and less render time.....as long as
the
> deck can ! do it?? Should be in any minute now.......
>
> //s
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM on behalf of gvision
> Sent: Wed 12/28/2005 4:43 PM
> To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
> Subject: Re: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>
>
>
> Hi Scott the F500 will play the 25psf at 24 or 23.98. Set DS up to
control
> the VT as a F500 23.98 and set the machine to play back 23.98.
> You can now capture at 23.98 no render you should be able to use the
DS
> pulldown to create a 29.97 sequence if required.
> I have just done all be it with a D5 deck as far as I remember the
F500
> does
> the same all though it will not do the pulldown to NTSC with out the
> option
> board fitted.
>
> Graham (from the Pal world)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Roy"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:59 PM
> Subject: RE: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>
>
> Marc;
> Thanks for the quick response.....Good info!! Just fyi, its a couple
of tv
> commercials, not long form...so I think we'll do the timewarp
> trick!!.....Thanks again.......
>
> //s
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-ds(at)Softimage.COM on behalf of Marc Fisher
> Sent: Tue 12/27/2005 8:49 PM
> To: DS(at)Softimage.COM
> Subject: Re: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>
>
>
> You may be better off looking into a UFC (universal format converter)
if
> you're company has the $$. Of course, only if its a long format.
>
> Or by all means, capture 25, note the FFOP to LFOP, start new 23.98
> sequence, drop in the 25fps seq to the 24seq and timewarp to the total
run
> time. Pitch the audio (not sure of all the settings here) . Then do
all
> your
> new edits in the 24 (23.98) universal format master sequence (get
that?)
> and
> you'll be good to go for any other format you need to output to.
>
> Hope that helped.
>
> Marc
>
>
>> From: Scott Roy
>> Reply-To: "DS(at)Softimage.COM"
>> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:47:58 -0500
>> To:
>> Conversation: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>> Subject: 1080 25p -> 24 or 59.94??
>>
>> Hey All;
>>
>> I've got a couple of masters coming in that are finished in Europe at
>> 1080
> 25p
>> on the sony hdw 500....
>>
>> My question is:
>>
>> They now need these for US broadcast in HD and SD....Sooooo, would I
be
> able
>> to do this in the deck out settings?? We will only have 1 HDW500 deck
so
> the
>> Nitris will be used to ingest and output...Do I master in a 24p
> timeline....or
>> is the conversion to 59.94 better?? On past threads it was suggested
to
>> digitize in a 25p timeline and timewarp to 24?? Anyone have any
> experience
>> doing this sort of thing?? And before it comes up...It's not just a
> straight
>> dub (never is), we need to re-edit and add new art cards to the end
of
>> the
>> spots....
>>
>> Any help would be thankful.......Hope everyone had a good
>> break....didn't
> seem
>> like much!!
>>
>> Scott Roy
>> serious robots
>
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