Re: deformation motion blur blacks out cluster materials

[Raffaele Fragapane <jaco(at)thejaco.com>]

you mean you guys can't read people minds and secretly monitor all their 
activities through a trojan installed somewhere in the software?
I'm disappointed Halfy!
next thing you're going to ask people to report the bugs to support 
instead of bitching about them on xsibase and here!

unacceptable, simply unacceptable.

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|     Raffaele Fragapane       |
|     Rising Sun Pictures      |
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Halfdan Ingvarsson wrote:

> The sampling problem will be fixed in next release, thanks to your 
> repro scenes Guillaume :-)
>  
> Cluster materials disappearing using rasterizer is a known problem 
> that has already been fixed and will be included in the same release.
>  
> If anyone has repro scenes that they can send us the better we're able 
> to solve these kinds of problems.
>  
>  - ½
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>     [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]*On Behalf Of *guillaume laforge
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 01 March, 2006 11:33
>     *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
>     *Subject:* Re: deformation motion blur blacks out cluster materials
>
>     How do you deal with shadows sampling and texture sampling ? I
>     can't find a way to remove aliasing problem when I use rasterized
>     mode.
>
>     If I use a big collect rate the problem is still there and the
>     render time are huge. I must use the default scanline on some
>     shots where rapid motion did the job far better in the past with
>     4.2 ( a lot of geometry ). Since mr 3.4/rasterizer mode, even
>     geometry details are faster to render in normal mode.. I use
>     something like 1-3 with a threshold of 0.001, and the render farm
>     is so happy !
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Guillaume Laforge
>
>
>     On 3/1/06, *Axel Akesson* <axel(at)passion-pictures.com
>     <mailto:axel(at)passion-pictures.com>> wrote:
>
>         We are using 5.01.
>         No, it works in some situations... but you have to be very
>         aware of the limitations (which isn't very well documented I
>         heard). Like, problems with clusters, problems with 2ndary or
>         primary rays turned off somewhere in the pass, reflection,
>         refraction and so on. We have been using RSMB for FxTree (very
>         fast) or AFX and XSI MB (sans Rasterizer, for rotating things
>         and so on) a lot lately and it works quite fine.
>          
>         Stu spends most of his days rendering Lambert spheres... I
>         guess thats why it works out for him. ;-)
>          
>         Cheers,
>         Axel
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>         <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>
>         [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>         <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>] *On Behalf Of *guillaume laforge
>         *Sent:* 01 March 2006 14:29
>         *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>         *Subject:* Re: deformation motion blur blacks out cluster
>         materials
>
>         It woks for you ? I'm interested as it looks completely broken
>         to me. You use 5.01 or 5.(secret) ?
>
>         Cheers
>
>         Guillaume Laforge
>
>         On 3/1/06, *Stuart Hall* <hally(at)passion-pictures.com
>         <mailto:hally(at)passion-pictures.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hey! The Rasterizer is my friend!
>
>              
>
>             Okay, so I had to sell my sole to the devil and sacrifice
>             a few chickens….but it works for me!
>
>              
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>             *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>             <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM> [mailto:
>             owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>]
>             *On Behalf Of *Axel Akesson
>             *Sent:* 01 March 2006 13:51
>
>             *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>             *Subject:* RE: deformation motion blur blacks out cluster
>             materials
>
>              
>
>             "isnt there a known bug in 5 with objects randomly
>             disappearing with motion blur?"
>
>              
>
>             Do you have the Rasterizer (a.k.a The Root of all Evil) on?
>
>              
>
>             Cheers,
>
>             Axel
>
>              
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>             *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>             <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM> [mailto:
>             owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>]
>             *On Behalf Of *Juan Brockhaus
>             *Sent:* 01 March 2006 13:38
>             *To:* ' XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>'
>             *Subject:* RE: deformation motion blur blacks out cluster
>             materials
>
>             unfortunatly...
>
>             yes, there is this bug....
>
>             (no comment...)
>
>              
>
>             Juan
>
>              
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 *From:* Dan Hope [mailto:danrhope(at)hotmail.com
>                 <mailto:danrhope(at)hotmail.com>]
>                 *Sent:* 01 March 2006 13:31
>                 *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>                 *Subject:* RE: deformation motion blur blacks out
>                 cluster materials
>
>                 isnt there a known bug in 5 with objects randomly
>                 disappearing with motion blur?
>
>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 From: ollynash(at)funktiondesign.tv
>                 <mailto:ollynash(at)funktiondesign.tv>
>                 To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>                 Subject: RE: deformation motion blur blacks out
>                 cluster materials
>                 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:15:02 +0000
>
>                 Nope, geometry definitely not intersecting and renders
>                 fine now that I've re-jigged the textures to avoid
>                 cluster materials.  Reckon I'll CAB the dodgy scene to
>                 Softimage.  (expensive fare – ho! ho!)
>
>                  
>
>                 I'll bear in mind the close faces thing, Kim.  Thanks
>                 guys : )
>
>                  
>
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>
>                 *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>                 <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM> [mailto:
>                 owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>                 <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>] *On Behalf Of *kim aldis
>                 *Sent:* 28 February 2006 17:57
>                 *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>                 *Subject:* RE: deformation motion blur blacks out
>                 cluster materials
>
>                  
>
>                 are you rendering both front and back faces? possibly
>                 the back faces are coming through and obscuring the front.
>
>                  
>
>                 close together faces, apart from giving problems with
>                 depth sorting, can hammer render times I've found in
>                 the past.
>
>                      
>
>                     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                     *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>                     <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM> [mailto:
>                     owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>                     <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>] *On Behalf Of
>                     *Olly Nash
>                     *Sent:* 28-February-2006 17:15
>                     *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>                     *Subject:* deformation motion blur blacks out
>                     cluster materials
>
>                     Hi folks,
>
>                      
>
>                     I'm animating pages of a book (using IK chains)
>                     and so need to check 'Deformation Motion blur". 
>                     Only trouble is that the cluster material on the B
>                     side of the pages goes black - huh ?!?!  
>
>                      
>
>                     I can workaround this by making a texture for A
>                     and B sides in one image and redoing texture
>                     projections, but wondered if anyone else has found
>                     this? is there a fix?  Or is it just another case
>                     of avoid cluster materials at all costs!
>
>                      
>
>                     Cheers,
>
>                      Olly xxx
>
>                  
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