Re: XSIMAN

["peter boeykens" <peter_b(at)skynet.be>]

> Peter,
> Just to clarify, no one has said anything remotely critical about 
> Affogato.
> In fact, the thread was inspired by Alan's very positive comments.

my point exactly.
Discussion was not on affogato but the personality of the person who 
developed it.
Not very informative really.

> Another thing to keep in mind.  There is a very fine line between 
> criticising the XSI SDK
> in public and criticising the people behind it.  We have all been critical 
> of XSI from time to
> time, but we are also mindful to keep those discussions within the bounds 
> of this forum.
> The people behind XSI have given much of themselves towards the app, 
> including the SDK,
> and regard it as their baby.

anything said about the developers personalities on this list would be 
equally inappropriate.

> It would be naïve to suggest that posting a comment that disparages
> the XSI SDK as the worst of it's kind in the 3D world (on an a public web 
> site),
> would not invoke some equally emotive responses.

however negative they may be, any comments on the *software* are appropriate 
here, not the people.
If they're incorrect, or insulting, they will be corrected here.
If they're very critical, even if biased, they might still be of use.
Even if someone goes and calls XSI a piece of crap developed by retards, and 
gives some arguments, it might serve a positive purpose, even if just to 
correct the arguments given.

This list is one of the sources of input for the developers. If not the most 
accurate source, it still gives information about what feelings live in the 
XSI community, outside of any client/supplier protocol, which affects 
communication going through support or beta program or other.
Softimage has shown repeatedly to care about what their userbase thinks of 
the software, and not strictly in a report-bug and request-feature sense. 
And I'm sure they laugh their a%# off every once in a while about some of 
the threads that comes up here.

> Raf himself has told us that Moritz enjoys heightening the debate, so I 
> suspect the guy
> has a thicker skin than you give him credit for.

I'm sure he has, but that doesnt make it an appropriate topic here. it just 
reduces the signal/noise ratio.

> Raf also makes a very good point however.  Moritz's contribution (via 
> Affogato)
> will be far more significant to Softimage than any comment he might have 
> made.
>
> I for one am enormously appreciative of his willingness to share this tool 
> with the XSI community.

Now we're on topic again.








-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of 
peter boeykens
Sent: November 20, 2006 1:56 PM
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: Re: XSIMAN

for what it's worth:
Raf, I totally agree with your reaction to the way people were talking about
Moritz, behind his back on this list.
First off, he didnt utter them on here, and even if he has very strong,
exagerated or downright crazy opinions, it shouldnt be discussed on a
personal level here without his presence. (and who knows, he might just be
right?)
Most of the pro's I've encountered have strong opinions, and I consider
myself no exception.

If anyone wants to discuss Affogato on this list, and bash or praise it,
that sounds perfectly on topic, but since it's not public (yet?) nothing
senseless can be said here, except reactions from RSP people that have seen
and used it firsthand.

So lets keep the noise down and get back on topic:
did anyone use XSIMAN with success, in production or otherwise?
there's almost no mention about it on this list other than it exists.
And I'm sure plenty of people are very curious...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raffaele Fragapane" <jaco(at)thejaco.com>
To: <XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: XSIMAN


> I'm sincerely shocked.
> Not by this starting email, but by the replies that are talking about The
> Ritz, aka Moritz, the developer who, single handedly, wrote affogato twice
> in three months.
>
> A person, who doesn't even read this list, is being attacked at a personal
> level because he dared to post something about an application (and not
> about the people behind it). A F*CKING application, not the dear families
> of the people writing it.
>
> About the person: Yes, Moritz is strongly opinionated and can come across
> as harsh. So what?
> Most of what he writes, when he's that harsh, is meant to be slightly
> humorous, as Moritz is a fairly talented person, but humble enough to not
> take himself so seriously to cover everything in a corporate patinae.
>
> His statements do reflect his opinons, but they are often intentionally
> amplified, because that's the kind of person he is, and that's the way he
> likes discussions (and I've had a fair few of all natures in over a year
> of working with him); if you can't see past the form and to the knowledge
> and competence behind it, then I'm seriously disappointed in whoever you
> are.
>
> With Affogato he's about to do more for the XSI community (Moritz not only
> wrote it, but also maintained it, extended it, and convinced RSP to OSS
> it) then most blindfolded app fanatics have done over 6 versions; that
> alone in my opinion is worth more for Soft then the negative slant his
> comments might have, and I won't go into the things I can't talk about
> (like what feedback and other things went on between companies).
>
> And for the record Stephen, Moritz never complained about the implicit
> thing the way you seem to present it.
> That question took 4 of you guys in Soft 7 days to reply to and several
> mails with snippets of code, so spare me the condesendancy please, and the
> point was about inconsistancies and inefficiency in traversing (about that
> we're still waiting for a reply btw, Moritz included).
>
> I'm seriously appalled, and definitely have to reconsider a community I
> used to consider pretty meritocratic and capable to look past appearances.
>
> ******************************
> |     Raffaele Fragapane       |
> |     Rising Sun Pictures      |
> | "Remember, TD is for TopDog" |
> ******************************
>
>
>
> Prapas Akie wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I am looking to export a project from XSI and to be rendered with
> > RenderMan (pipeline parameters).
> >
> >
> > Has anyone used XSIMan (which is an XSI to RenderMan translator) and put
> > it through the wringer?
> >
> > How were the results?
> >
> >
> > Are there other solutions? I have access to MAYA as well.
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance and have a goodday.
> >
> >
> > Akie Prapas
> > 3D VFX
> >
> >
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