Re: off topic: lcd monitor

["Tim Leydecker" <BauerOink(at)gmx.de>]

Hi there,

Working at a shop this summer I had the chance to sit in front
of two 24" and one 30" Apple LCD connected to two PCs.

We tried various combinations, 30" solo, two 24" combo,
24"+30" combo, each with two different graphics cards from
nVidia, one Quadro and one of the geforce line of products.

The space gained is great for any highrez work, compositing space
and especially camera work, e.g. framing things. "just looks great"...

One grain of salt I found in the Apple monitors is for the default
gammasettings, colortemperatures, waking up on boot and the
brightnesscontrols. There´s buttons but no reliable menu or presets for PC.

Depending on the box and graphicscard the 30" panel was connected
to one may have to fiddle with the plug to get the display to wake up again,
while in general it´s not really clear wether the Apple LCDs run at gamma
1.8 or 2.2, according to a test in a current issue of german c`T, at least
the 24" inch versions run at gamma 1.8, even on a PC, where you´d expect 2.2.

Not a big deal if one is aware of it or creates a colorprofile anyway and
loads that in via the graphiccard´s colorprofile options but worth mentioned imho.

Cheers

tim






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wuijster" <rob.wuijster(at)condor.tv>
To: <XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: off topic: lcd monitor


> Just my two eurocents,
>
> We've switched a couple of CRT's lately for DELL flatpanels (no widescreen...) and 
> color and sharpness is very good value for money. For colour checking you still 
> need a CRT or broadcast monitor though.
> We also had a EIZO 24" widescreen on trialbasis for one of the Inferno's, and the 
> guys were very positive about this one. There's also a very good menu for 
> calibrating for this one.
> For me personally its the EIZO first, then DELL and Apple last. There's something 
> about the Apple screens that seems soft, but that could be my eyes. Or the fact 
> it's connected to a pc ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> *Rob Wuijster
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>
> Kris Rivel wrote:
> > I'm holding out for this beauty:
> >
> > http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/necs-255-inch-h-ips-monitor-targets-at-professionals-with-color-sensitive-applications/
> >
> > Kris
> >
> > Steve Pratt wrote:
> > > I work in a commercial art studio where colour accuracy is critical and we 
> > > switched from CRT's to LCD's about 18 months ago. We mainly use Photoshop & XSi.
> > > We went for the top of the range Eizo ColorEdge monitors.
> > > I was the biggest skeptic that LCD's would ever cut it for colour reproduction 
> > > but am now a believer and would never go back to CRT.
> > > The Eizo's are not cheap, but if colour accuracy is important they are the bees 
> > > knees.
> > >
> > > We looked at the Apple displays but at that time their calibration was very 
> > > limited when connected to PC's.
> > > Does anyone know if that has improved?
> > >
> > > -Steve
> > >
> > > On 03/12/06, *Andy Jones* <andy(at)thefront.com <mailto:andy(at)thefront.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     We've got some of the 24 inch Dells at our office.  Originally, we
> > >     bought them for our compositors, and that's still where they're used,
> > >     but what Jeff said about the color having visible artifacts is
> > >     totally
> > >     true (my personal theory is that they have the backlight cranked too
> > >     high).  I wouldn't say it's that much worse than other LCD's, though.
> > >     But I totally don't buy that LCD's are good enough to do color
> > >     work on
> > >     these days -- especially the larger ones, even though a lot of people
> > >     will tell you otherwise.  Unless the color work you're doing is
> > >     to see
> > >     what your content will look like on a LCD, specifically.  But at that
> > >     point, you would probably want a calibrated HD monitor.  That
> > >     said, it
> > >     is really great to be able to play back footage in ultra-crisp 1080p,
> > >     which is why we keep the monitors with the compositors.  So, in
> > >     summary,
> > >     I like the 24" screens, but I don't trust them.
> > >
> > >     In my opinion, the ideal setup for any sort of generalist
> > >     workstation is
> > >     a 24" widescreen monitor coupled with a CRT running at
> > >     1600x1200.  That
> > >     is, unless you've got money for a 30", which, by the way, I'd
> > >     take over
> > >     2 24" screens any day -- especially if you want to do work for
> > >     film at
> > >     full 2K.  (I'd probably still want to pair it with a CRT, though.)
> > >
> > >     -Andy
> > >
> > >     Joe Laffey wrote:
> > >
> > >     > On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Jeff Wilson wrote:
> > >     >
> > >     >> Wow...  two 24s would be some serious real estate.
> > >     >>
> > >     >> dyter08(at)yahoo.de <mailto:dyter08(at)yahoo.de> wrote:
> > >     >>
> > >     >>> Guten Tag Jeff Wilson,
> > >     >>>
> > >     >>> anyone on 30" here, I was thinking to buy the 30" Dell.
> > >     >>>
> > >     >>> Whats better, 2 LCDs 24" or one 30"?
> > >     >>
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > Two 24"s is great. I much prefer it to a single 30".
> > >     >
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