Do you use referenced model ?
Did you try Point Oven ?
Guillaume
On 1/19/07, Julien Wieser <jwieser(at)cyber-groupe.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Guillaume
>
>
>
> In fact the guys of the studio already tried to plot curves : same
> results.
>
>
>
> I knew that batch serve was only a way of managing rendering without xsi
> interface, but I precised it because the differents is that it send 1 fra=
me
> to 1 computer instead of 1 frame rendered on several computers (distribut=
ed
> rendering).
>
>
>
> Can we surely say that the shapes are not involved in the issue ?
> (distributed rendering and standalone rendering works well)
>
>
>
> What kind of informations does the batch app send to the machines that
> could disable the shapes on random frames ?
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Julien Wieser
> ------------------------------
>
> *De :* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] *De la
> part de* guillaume laforge
> *Envoy=E9 :* vendredi 19 janvier 2007 14:19
> *=C0 :* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
> *Objet :* Re: BatchServe and blend shapes
>
>
>
> Hi Julien,
>
> Batchserve is just an application to start xsi without the user interface
> ( the xsi batch app ). If your frames are rendered, thenit looks like
> batchserve did the job. If the shape are not correctly rendered, then it
> looks like xsi ( xsi batch ) didn't do its job.
>
> I used batchserve in a company with more than 50 rendering machines and i=
t
> works correctly. In fact it works only if there is a "php specialist" to
> debug the free batchserve given with xsi.
>
> Maybe try a plot shape or a point oven before sending to the rendering ?
>
> 1/2
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Laforge
> freelance TD | cg Artist
> my blog ! http://vol2blog.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On 1/19/07, *Julien Wieser* <jwieser(at)cyber-groupe.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody ,
>
> I'm new here so lets first introduce myself,
>
> I'm Julien from Paris (France), Using XSI for 4 or 5 years now. I'm not
> specialized in one part of 3D.
>
> I'm doing as well rendering than modeling rigging props or characters.
>
> Working on a 52x7 minutes full 3D animation serie called OzieBoo.
>
>
>
> ----
>
>
>
> My first question here will be about Batchserve rendering and Blend
> Shapes.
>
>
>
> I've done a character rig with facial blend shapes using that kinds of
> expression to blend the shapes :
>
> =AB cond( PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posy > 0,
> PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posy, 0 ) * cond(
> PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posx > 0, 1, 1 +
> PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posx / 2 ) =BB
>
>
>
> The problem is that the studio that is using my characters has problem
> with facial shapes at rendering. Random rendered frames have the neutral
> facial shape instead of the right shapes keyed with the controls. So when
> playing the animation the facial expressions =AB jitters =BB or =AB pops =
=BB (not
> sure of translation)
>
>
>
> They're using BatchServe with about 10 rendering machine.
>
> It seems that bad frames are not always rendered by the same computer.
>
> 5 characters have the same rig (exactly the same) and on the bad frames
> all goes to neutral shape so it didn't depend of the shape used or the va=
lue
> keyed.
>
>
>
> When testing the same scenes rendered on one computer or with rayhost
> there are no problems.
>
>
>
> Does someone have an idea of where the problem could come from ?
>
> Is batchserve reliable for big productions ?
>
>
>
> Thanks very much for yours answers.
>
>
>
> Julien Wieser
>
>
>
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<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">>I knew that batch serve was on=
ly a way of
managing rendering without xsi interface, but I precised it because the dif=
ferents
is that it send 1 frame to 1 computer >instead of 1 frame rendered on se=
veral
computers (distributed rendering).</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">> Can we surely say that the sh=
apes are not
involved in the issue ? (distributed rendering and standalone renderin=
g
works well)</span></font></p>I was pretty sure you knew how batch server wo=
rk. It was just to clarify the point as it is difficult to correctly feel s=
omething via a mailing list ;-)<br><br>From my tiny point of view, only sim=
ulation can be a problem with distributed rendering as it will need a cache=
. Shape are just reading some fcurves so the data should be there at any fr=
ame.
<br><br>Do you use referenced model ?<br>Did you try Point Oven ?<br><br><b=
r>Guillaume<br><br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1/19/07, <b clas=
s=3D"gmail_sendername">Julien Wieser</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:jwieser(at)cybe=
r-groupe.com">
jwieser(at)cyber-groupe.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"blue" lang=3D"FR">
<div>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thank you Guillaume</span></font><=
/p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">In fact the guys of the studio alr=
eady
tried to plot curves : same results.</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I knew that batch serve was only a=
way of
managing rendering without xsi interface, but I precised it because the dif=
ferents
is that it send 1 frame to 1 computer instead of 1 frame rendered on severa=
l
computers (distributed rendering).</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Can we surely say that the shapes =
are not
involved in the issue ? (distributed rendering and standalone renderin=
g
works well)</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">What kind of informations does the=
batch
app send to the machines that could disable the shapes on random frames&nbs=
p;?</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thank you</span></font></p>
<p><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Julien Wieser</span></font></p>
<div>
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Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">
<hr align=3D"center" size=3D"2" width=3D"100%">
</span></font></div>
<p><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font=
-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">De :</span></font></b><font face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;=
"> <a href=3D"mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"=
return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM</a>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM" target=3D"_blank" onclic=
k=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM<=
/a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">De la part
de</span></b> guillaume laforge<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Envoy=E9 :</span></b> vendredi 1=
9 janvier
2007 14:19<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=C0 :</span></b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:XSI(at)Softimage.COM" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLin=
k(window,event,this)">XSI(at)Softimage.COM</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: BatchServ=
e and
blend shapes</span></font></p>
</div><div><span class=3D"e" id=3D"q_1103a9261747f34a_1">
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
;"> </span></font></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"=
><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Hi Julien,<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10p=
t; font-family: Arial;">Batchserve is just an application to start xsi with=
out the user
interface ( the xsi batch app ). If your frames are rendered, thenit
looks like batchserve did the job. If the shape are not correctly rendered,
then it looks like xsi ( xsi batch ) didn't do its job. <br>
<br>
I used batchserve in a company with more than 50 rendering machines and it =
works
correctly. In fact it works only if there is a "php specialist" t=
o
debug the free batchserve given with xsi.<br>
<br>
Maybe try a plot shape or a point oven before sending to the rendering ? <b=
r>
<br>
1/2<br>
<br>
</span></font><br clear=3D"all">
-- <br>
Guillaume Laforge<br>
freelance TD | cg Artist<br>
my blog ! <a href=3D"http://vol2blog.blogspot.com/"; target=3D"_blank" oncli=
ck=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://vol2blog.blogspo=
t.com/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<p><span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt;">On 1/19/07, <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Julien
Wieser</span></b> <<a href=3D"mailto:jwieser(at)cyber-groupe.com" target=3D=
"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">jwieser(at)c=
yber-groupe.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span></p>
<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Hi </span></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-US">everybody</span></=
font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> , </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">I'm
new here so lets first introduce myself,</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">I'm
Julien from Paris (France), Using XSI for 4 or 5 years now. I'm not spe=
cialized
in one part of 3D. </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">I'm
doing as well rendering than modeling rigging props or characters.</span></=
font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Working
on a 52x7 minutes full 3D animation serie called OzieBoo.</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">----</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">My
first question here will be about Batchserve rendering and Blend Shapes.</s=
pan></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">I've
done a </span></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-US">character</span></font><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"> </span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-=
size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
rig with
facial blend shapes using that kinds of expression to blend the shapes =
;:</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">=AB cond(
PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posy > 0, PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posy, =
0 )
* cond( PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posx > 0, 1, 1 +
PBlue.ctrl_mouth.kine.local.posx / 2 ) =BB</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">The
problem is that the studio that is using my characters has problem with fac=
ial
shapes at rendering. Random rendered frames have the neutral facial shape
instead of the right shapes keyed with the controls. So when playing the
animation the facial expressions =AB jitters =BB or =AB pops=
=BB
(not sure of translation)</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">They're
using BatchServe with about 10 rendering machine. </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">It
seems that bad frames are not always rendered by the same computer. </span>=
</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">5
characters have the same rig (exactly the same) and on the bad frames all g=
oes
to neutral shape so it didn't depend of the shape used or the value key=
ed.</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">When
testing the same scenes rendered on one computer or with rayhost there are =
no
problems.</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Does
someone have an idea of </span></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span=
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-US">where </span=
></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fon=
t-family: Arial;">
the problem could
come from ?</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Is
batchserve reliable for big productions ?</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Thanks
very much for yours answers.</span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-fam=
ily: Arial;">Julien
Wieser</span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"=
><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
</span></div></div>
</div>
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