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Title: Re: Vista and XSI?
we
need a revolution comrades
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
[mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]On Behalf Of jordibares
Sent:
Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:35 AM
To:
<XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
Subject: Re: Vista and
XSI?
On 31/1/07 21:06, "peter boeykens"
<peter_b(at)skynet.be> wrote:
On 30/1/07 22:45, "peter boeykens"
<peter_b(at)skynet.be> wrote:
Im probably going to be flamed but here goes
anyway...
isnt it normal with everybody having access to
digital copying hardware and
software, with illegal copies of
all kinds of media and software being so
widespread, and with
the sales for music CD's going ever
downwards,
You
are suggesting the sales of CDs going downwards is due to the
illegal copying/downloading of content, and that is just incorrect.
If you find the statistics of the high street market you will see
the same tendencies on all the areas, specially clothing so this is
just a global situation due to our economics.
When the
government raises the interests to 5.25 that will have an impact on
retail, and that includes CDs, the trick the industry is playing is
that by blaming the piracy they will get away securing a hugely
profitable bussiness model that rips artists and makes the
businessman fatter.
I dont buy this argument at
all.
This sounds like a bad interpretation of statistics.
Its not
because interests go up and music sales go down that there is a direct
relationship.
It clearly
is one of the factors of many and you should have another look at it because
clearly there is a relationship. Of course the trend of X factor and American
Idol and the horrible trend of manufacturing bands and artists are not
helping. The fact that people now can access artists directly does obviously
have a more options and the awareness of being ripped of too.
I
didn’t want to give the impression that that only factor (interest rates) does
have alone such an impact but think twice because is bigger than you think.
(for example, in London a 0.25% means another 600 pounds a year in many many
cases, also means http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6316097.stm,
and also means http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6041458.stm,
so yes, it has a huge impact.
I remain very
much convinced that music sales go down because of the ease of copying music
at CD quality.
Always has
been easy to copy music, probably even more than nowadays, from tapes to
unprotected CDs we have done copies and the sky was not falling like
now.
Nobody can build a relationship between illegal sharing and the down
on sales, which obviously is affected by so many
factors.
I believe (but
thats of course open to discussion) that record companies have a bad
reaction on their sales going down: they focus on mainstream, high sales,
commercial music, and avoid alternative music. Simply put they react by
releasing more crap and less good music.
Precisely
Also, they
increase prices of media to compensate for sales going down, thus penalising
the people that are purchasing music.
Both of these work aversely
IMO.
But of course, and I know the cost of producing a full CD,
distributed, put on the shelves and all that costs just 2 pounds, where do goe
the other 18 pounds? Not to the artists further penalizing the artists and
making them move on towards playing gigs instead of producing new music? Sell
via internet where http://www.macmegasite.com/node/3376
that
some initiative is taken to make
piracy more difficult?
most of us find it perfectly normal to pay
for our XSI license. But when it
comes to movies and music, and
additional software, and what not, people
become less
picky.
Wait a minute, the problem is not
about paying for a good, is about being ripped for far too long. An
artist that has put together a CD with his songs, receives 10p for
each album they sell!! Where is going the rest?
Its not because the
artists are not receiving enough money that illegal copying is
justified.
And its not like all of that money goes to the evil
record companies either.
A huge part of the purchase price goes to the
store, the distributor and to the government.
Im not sure if you meant
10p as in 10 pence or 10 percent for the artist.
10% is a pretty accurate
average.
No, I literally mean 10
pence.
I just checked my local copyright
organisation, and their info is as follows:
the price of a CD in the
store (100%) is distributed as follows:
17% vat, 11% store, 7% copyright,
5,5% material cost, 14% recording studio, 14 to 21% producer, 2(!) to 30%
artist, 2 to 30% marketing and
promotion.
Here in the UK that is not the situation,
that is all I can tell you.
how much an artist earns depends on his
contract, and it varies from hardly anything (2%) to a huge part (30%), and
the more an artist is famous, the higher his percentage. The extremes both
are unreasonable.
Small, unknown artists dont get a lot, and would be
better off with a small / independent label.
Big artists get huge amounts
of money.
And small
artists don’t live from the CDs, live from gigs.
Fulltime professional artists get an
average 10%, which should make a decent living. But overall sales going down
does affect their income substantially.
Again, they
don’t live from their music unless the have a big luck hit or a commercial
uses the song and he becomes mainstream, the case of artists like Jose
Gonzalez http://www.bravia-advert.com/music/
If you look back not many
people had problems paying for AllofMp3.com!!! Why? Because the
prices were reasonable, okay they were in an illegal situation but
my point is that the problem is the industry as a whole trying to
squeaze the chicken a bit more.
I totally agree with the
"reasonable price" argument. I know I would be spending a lot more on music
if the prices were 2/3 to 1/2 of what they currently are. Personally I buy
most of my music second hand now because of this.
My naïve
thinking tells me everybody wants to have to proper album/cover/panflet if
they were priced correctly. Paying 23 pounds for a 9 track album is just a
rip-off.
Most of us wouldnt consider stealing
anything physical ever, but when it
comes to data, everybody's
in?
Can any of us here pretend to never have copied media he
didnt pay for? I
dont think so.
And most of us here even
depend from media for a living...
Can
you guarantee you will lose a customer if that customer has downloaded
a track?
NO because that person may not spend a single penny
to check if he likes X or Y.
In any case you will find new things
and buy them so you are getting new
customers.
do you lose customers if
your music is easily available for free illegal download? hell
yeah.
No, you don’t lose anything. This lost
customer would have never bought that in the first place so you can’t say you
have lost anything. I would say this could trigger you get a new customer as
he may like that album and go to the store and buy the next one too (like I
have done countless occasions when someone plays a song I like and ask “who is
this??”)
Anyway
I think this goes a bit off the thread for the
moment.
Wether or not the OS is the proper
place to fight piracy is another issue.
But its probably the
only way to do so effectively.
I dont particularly like such
initiatives, but the collective behaviour of
computer users
doesnt leave much room for
alternatives.
I
feel you should avoid putting all of us in the same pot, such a
generalization is just
wrong.
Im not putting all of us in the
same pot.
The (music) industry is.
You are
with that comment saying our collective behavior doesn’t leave room for
alternatives, that is saying “we all are liars and thefts” and that is not
true.
They are adapting
to a perceived "everybody downloads illegaly" situation. (which is not
accurate but not totally unfunded either)
As a result, the bona fide
customers suffer, by paying more for less, and the ones that are
downloading/copying/selling illegaly will simply continue to do so and get
more clever at it. With or without DRM.
...
On the other hand, such an OS is perhaps
no longer the proper basis for a
serious production environment,
as obviously all these built-in processes
are spawning like crazy
and take up ever more resources.
2GB to run vista? Its downright
insane. Not too long ago windows didnt even
know how to handle
2GB.
Probably this
is the only thing I agree with you, Vista seems not to be for
production environments nor the user environment were you have XP
working fine.
cheers
jb
yada yada.
just my two copyrighted
eurocent.
----- Original Message
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From: "Bradley Gabe"
<withanar(at)stanwinston.com>
To:
<XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:23
PM
Subject: RE: Vista and XSI?
"Windows"... I remember
someone once said if they had only named the
product "Gates",
after it's founder, it would have been more of an
honest
tribute.
> You have to remember, 99% of what I do is for
people using Windows.
> You’re trying to suggest here that
it’s as easy to work with Linux as
> Windows when you’re
interfacing largely with clients who use Windows.
> That’s
writing tools for Windows, solving Windows based
problems,
> dealing with windows issues. To try and work with
anything other than
> Windows under such circumstances would
be
foolish.
>
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From:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]
On
> Behalf Of jordibares
> Sent: 30 January 2007
18:36
> To: <XSI(at)Softimage.COM>; Kim Aldis
>
Subject: Re: Vista and XSI?
>
>
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It is your choice, but it is easy as it is easy to run windows as
it
> is to run Linux, just get the right
distribution.
>
> Jb
>
>
> On 30/1/07
18:10, "Kim Aldis" <XSI(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>
wrote:
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> > -----Original
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> > From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]
On
> > Behalf Of jordibares
> > Sent: 30 January
2007 17:52
> > To: <XSI(at)Softimage.COM>; Bradley
Gabe
> > Subject: Re: Vista and XSI?
> >
>
> I know what you are saying, but you are not forced to do
so,
> [kim aldis]
>
>
> No,you're not. But
in practice it's not always easy, or for that
> matter
>
preferable, to take the Linux, or the Mac
route.
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