Re: realflow test

Date : Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:14:08 +0100
To : XSI(at)Softimage.COM
From : André Adam <a_adam(at)49games.de>
Subject : Re: realflow test
Haven't used Realflow up to now, but from the mails it seems to be single-threaded by design, which means lots of its routines would have to be rewritten to distribute the computation load onto multiple CPUs. Unfortunately this is not like pressing a button or so...


adrian wrote:
i know it sounds blasé, but shouldn't Next Limit be *fixing* the code to take advantage of multiple cores?

Adrian Wyer
Fluid Pictures
33 Glasshouse Street
London
W1B 5DG
T: +44 (0) 207 434 5133
www.fluid-pictures.com <http://www.fluid-pictures.com>

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Kim Aldis <mailto:XSI(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>
    *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
    *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2007 1:34 PM
    *Subject:* RE: realflow test

    Check using the performance monitor, see if it’s only ever using
    one cpu or if it’s swapping threads between the two. You can run
    two traces, one for each core. If they’re inverted versions of
    each other then it’s using both cores, just not at the same time.
    I’m not sure I remember exactly what that means but it may just be
    that RF isn’t being too efficient.

    *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]
    *On Behalf Of *Duncan Burch
    *Sent:* 12 February 2007 13:29
    *To:* xsi(at)Softimage.COM
    *Subject:* RE: realflow test

    Hey
    Initially was a 2cpu dual core thingy.
    Never used more than 40% or my machine.

    Now I use 1 cpu dual core, never gets above 50%.
    Ive increased the number of threads, doesnt help, but is this the
    same as cores?

    ta
    Dunk



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    From: adrian.wyer(at)fluid-pictures.com
    To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
    Subject: Re: realflow test
    Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:27:58 +0000

    what machine you running on?

    im assuming you upped the number of threads in prefs?


Adrian Wyer Fluid Pictures 33 Glasshouse Street London W1B 5DG T: +44 (0) 207 434 5133 www.fluid-pictures.com <http://www.fluid-pictures.com>

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:* Duncan Burch <mailto:duncan_burch(at)hotmail.com>

        *To:* xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:xsi(at)Softimage.COM>

        *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2007 11:49 AM

        *Subject:* RE: realflow test

        I have to completly agree here.
        I love using RF, at work and in my spare time.
        The tests i do in my sparetime look kinda good, but arent very
        complex, from a scene point of view.
        But when I use RF at work, it can be a pain to tweak things
        100 times for the client.
        Drives me mad.
        On a side note, anyone know why RF never uses all my cores?
        TA
        Dunk



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        From: forum(at)virtualrepublic.org
        To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
        Subject: RE: realflow test
        Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:22:49 +0100

        Kim hit the spot of pain and frustration.

        Most Realslow examples are fluid sims in a simple and limited
        environment.

        If you want to spread it to bigger scenes you will figure out
        that RF is a great and faszinating tool but totally useless
        for a production ruled by short deadlines, many changes and
        limited budget.

        Another killer is that you can't simulate with a low-res setup
        and just use high-res settings to get a final »perfect«
        result. Changing the settings will cause a total different
        output of course and all you showed to the client in a fast
        pre-viz version is history. You are forced to figure out the
        best looking simulation first and then you end up in an
        incredible simulation process which could just be done by a
        single number cruncher. Means: you never will have enough RAM
        or procs. At the end of a week a 128GB RAM with 8 procs is on
        your wishlist and even this is not enough I believe.

        I am soooo negative ... I know ... but I have been spanked by
        RF so often and in Germany we have a famous sentence for that:
        Die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt! [the hope dies at last].

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        *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
        [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] *On Behalf Of *Kim Aldis
        *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2007 11:22 AM
        *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
        *Subject:* RE: realflow test

        The real killer is when you want to flood a street. The level
        of detail you need requires huge numbers of particles. It’s
        not actually working out how to get the effect that’s the
        problem, it’s how to get enough particles into the shot to
        achieve the effect.

        *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
        [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] *On Behalf Of *VR XSI Forces
        *Sent:* 12 February 2007 10:04
        *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
        *Subject:* RE: realflow test

        Yeah ... I also recommend the DigitalTutor DVD's ... scene
        scale is everything ... right ... but at the end it wouldn't
        help us here.

        We all start with an example like this where a tube of 10
        litre water fills a little glass or a box. Fine and fascinating.

        Then you get a storyboard where the client wants to have hot
        chocolate floating over a waffle in highspeed.

        The client now expects: less costs, fast and flexible
        production, control over fluid behaviour, shapes and drops and
        ... a perfect looking result like the EUR 40.000,00 highspeed
        shooting.

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        *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
        [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] *On Behalf Of *Andi Farhall
        *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2007 8:35 AM
        *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
        *Subject:* RE: realflow test

        what scale is this?

            -----Original Message-----
            *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
            [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM]*On Behalf Of *adrian
            *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:43 PM
            *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM
            *Subject:* OT: realflow test

            a few hours of noodling......

            http://www.fluid-pictures.com/PUBLIC/FLUID.MOV

            i recommend the Gnomon realflow training dvd, even though
            it's a bit tedious in parts

            there are some insights into settings that really help,
            and of course, scene scale is EVERYTHING!

            A


Adrian Wyer Fluid Pictures 33 Glasshouse Street London W1B 5DG T: +44 (0) 207 434 5133 www.fluid-pictures.com <http://www.fluid-pictures.com>


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