Globals is where you set output *path*, not the full name, just the location
where you want to dump shots. There's a browser there. You can set frame
ranges globally here, or force them to be local to passes using the
drop-down 'scene frame settings', subsequently setting pass frames in the
output tab. You can also set global number padding here - a major
improvement in itself.
The Output section is where you specify actual file names. You can use
tokens - [Pass], for example will dump as the pass name in the output
directory (globals tab) and you can set this identically in *all* your
passes and know that it's correct, even when duplicating passes. This is a
*massive* plus to setting output and very much worth coming to grips with.
Used wisely you can set this to a set of tokens and never have to touch it
again, for any pass. If you put, say [scene]/[pass] a directory will be
created for you, named for your scene. Beautifull. Right click on an output
name in that spreadsheet and you can either flip it or open a browser in its
output directory.
Format you set in the scene render options, all passes will use this. You
can override this if you wish but probably won't ever need to.
Changing the current pass drop down at the top will update the display
below. If you want to check, say, all your outputs for all passes then hit
the output tab then shuffle through the passes using this dropdown.
That's more or less it, I think. Take ten minutes out to study it; it's
massively logical, carefully thought out and I think most of your problems
stem from unfamiliarity.
From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 22 August 2007 16:08
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: Re: 6.x rendermanager
Actually Kim, I am frantically searching through all three PPG's and the
Render Manager to try and make sure all passes render with the setings I
want and wind up in each their output folder - the latter seems the most
difficult now. This is of course because it is the first time I really use
these PPG's i 6.x and I am in a big hurry because of looming deadlines. I am
sure Kris is right I will get the hang of it and eventually appreciate the
improved functionality but I still think there is some merit in having PPG's
for stuff like this that I can grasp the second time I look at them, and in
this implementation that is not the case.
I hear you Francois - it looks better prepared for several renderers than in
pre 6.x but the UI is still a mess IMHO. Personally I would like all
renderer options to be available in the same PPG popping up when a
particular renderer is selected. Actually I found my self trying to edit the
parameters in the Summary tab because of the good overview there.
- MB
----- Original Message -----
From: kim aldis <mailto:xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: 6.x rendermanager
Are you using the render manager?
From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 22 August 2007 14:28
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: Re: 6.x rendermanager
I do understand the good parts Kim - I am sure the intentions and
functionality are a big plus. My gripe is the spreading of global and pass
specific parameters over 3-4 PPG's. I keep searching for where to set filter
type or padding etc. - that sucks.
I have no idea what tokens you are talking about!?
- MB
----- Original Message -----
From: kim aldis <mailto:xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: 6.x rendermanager
I'm going to jump in and disagree once more. Just to level the playfield. J
I've nothing but good to say about the way this works. I had to drop back to
5.11 on one job and the difference in the amount of time it took me to set
up for rendering doesn't even bear thinking about. I just love it.
Are you using the tokens for your output paths Morten? That's a good place
to start making life easier.
From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf Of
Morten Bartholdy
Sent: 22 August 2007 10:09
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: 6.x rendermanager
This is my first production with 6.0x rendering and I just have to get it
off my chest - it just sucks how messy it is now! I can see the virtues of
the global stuff but damn it is hard to make sure I render with a specific
filename per pass, padding and specific output path >:/
I remember the long thread about this back when 6. was released and I guess
I have to second those that said it was a serious UI regression!
Morten Bartholdy
3D & VFX Artist
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Work only from the render manager, you’ll be less
confused:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From the render manager, click the renderer tab. From =
there the
tabs are much as you’re used to with the exception of the settings =
for
filters, which are under the framebuffer tab. First time you open this =
it’s
a set of parameters that are global to all passes. You can localise =
these using
the make local button. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globals is where you set output *<b>path</b>*, not the =
full
name, just the location where you want to dump shots. There’s a =
browser
there. You can set frame ranges globally here, or force them to be local =
to
passes using the drop-down ‘scene frame settings’, =
subsequently
setting pass frames in the output tab. You can also set global number =
padding
here – a major improvement in itself.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Output section is where you specify actual file =
names. You
can use tokens – [Pass], for example will dump as the pass name in =
the
output directory (globals tab) and you can set this identically in =
*<b>all</b>*
your passes and know that it’s correct, even when duplicating =
passes.
This is a *<b>massive</b>* plus to setting output and very much worth =
coming to
grips with. Used wisely you can set this to a set of tokens and never =
have to
touch it again, for any pass. If you put, say [scene]/[pass] a directory =
will
be created for you, named for your scene. Beautifull. Right click on an =
output
name in that spreadsheet and you can either flip it or open a browser in =
its
output directory.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Format you set in the scene render options, all passes =
will use
this. You can override this if you wish but probably won’t ever =
need to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Changing the current pass drop down at the top will =
update the
display below. If you want to check, say, all your outputs for all =
passes then
hit the output tab then shuffle through the passes using this =
dropdown.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s more or less it, I think. Take ten minutes =
out to
study it; it’s massively logical, carefully thought out and I =
think most
of your problems stem from unfamiliarity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></a></p>
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0cm 4.0pt'>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
[mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Morten =
Bartholdy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 August 2007 16:08<br>
<b>To:</b> XSI(at)Softimage.COM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: 6.x rendermanager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Actually
Kim, I am frantically searching through all three PPG's and the Render =
Manager
to try and make sure all passes render with the setings I want and wind =
up in
each their output folder - the latter seems the most difficult now. This =
is of
course because it is the first time I really use these PPG's i 6.x and I =
am in
a big hurry because of looming deadlines. I am sure Kris is right I will =
get
the hang of it and eventually appreciate the improved functionality but =
I still
think there is some merit in having PPG's for stuff like this that I can =
grasp
the second time I look at them, and in this implementation that is not =
the
case.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
hear you Francois - it looks better prepared for several renderers than =
in pre
6.x but the UI is still a mess IMHO. Personally I would like all =
renderer
options to be available in the same PPG popping up when a particular =
renderer
is selected. Actually I found my self trying to edit the parameters in =
the
Summary tab because of the good overview there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-
MB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black =
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk"
title=3D"xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk">kim aldis</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b=
><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM" =
title=3D"XSI(at)Softimage.COM">XSI(at)Softimage.COM</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span><=
/b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, =
August
22, 2007 4:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</spa=
n></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: 6.x
rendermanager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are you using the render manager?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 4.0pt'>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM">owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM</a>
[mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Morten =
Bartholdy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 August 2007 14:28<br>
<b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM">XSI(at)Softimage.COM</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: 6.x rendermanager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
do understand the good parts Kim - I am sure the intentions and
functionality are a big plus. My gripe is the spreading of global and =
pass
specific parameters over 3-4 PPG's. I keep searching for where to set =
filter
type or padding etc. - that sucks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
have no idea what tokens you are talking about!?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-
MB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black =
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk"
title=3D"xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk">kim aldis</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b=
><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM" =
title=3D"XSI(at)Softimage.COM">XSI(at)Softimage.COM</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span><=
/b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, =
August
22, 2007 1:54 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</spa=
n></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: 6.x
rendermanager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m going to jump in and disagree once more. Just =
to level
the playfield. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D'>J</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ve nothing but good to say about the way this =
works. I
had to drop back to 5.11 on one job and the difference in the amount of =
time it
took me to set up for rendering doesn’t even bear thinking about. =
I just
love it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are you using the tokens for your output paths Morten?
That’s a good place to start making life =
easier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 4.0pt'>
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<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
[mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Morten =
Bartholdy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 August 2007 10:09<br>
<b>To:</b> XSI(at)Softimage.COM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> 6.x rendermanager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This
is my first production with 6.0x rendering and I just have to get it off =
my
chest - it just sucks how messy it is now! I can see the virtues of the =
global
stuff but damn it is hard to make sure I render with a specific filename =
per
pass, padding and specific output path >:/</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
remember the long thread about this back when 6. was released and I =
guess I
have to second those that said it was a serious UI =
regression!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Morten
Bartholdy<br>
3D & VFX Artist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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