Re: Industry needs more xsi artists!

["Sam J. Bowling" <sbowling(at)cox.net>]

Affects were good, but that movie sucked on so many levels I can't believe 
it got such good ratings.

At 01:18 PM 8/29/2007, you wrote:
>Don't forget Pan's Labyrinth..
>
>
>Steven Caron wrote:
>> agreed..
>>
>> more productions like '300' and feature animations like "barnyard"
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On 8/29/07, *Bradley Gabe* < withanar(at)gmail.com
>> <mailto:withanar(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     This thread again :-)
>>
>>     I think we've seen Soft attempt a number of startegies to increase
>>     user base; cost decrease, training initiatives, marketing pushes,
>>     etc. There are too many catch-22's at work for it to be broken so
>>     easily.
>>
>>     If we want to increase the user base, it probably has to be caused
>>     by us, the existing user base. We need to create work that gets
>>     attention. We need to produce something out of the ordinary that
>>     gets other industry pros asking, how did they do that? And how did
>>     they do it in such a short time? And how can we do that too?
>>
>>     When such questions are asked about an effect or production, how
>>     often has the answer been Maya, Max, or some proprietary
>>     thing? When that answer starts becoming XSI, then we'll see the
>>     user base grow in a significant way.
>>
>>     -Brad
>>
>>     On 8/29/07, *Kris Rivel* <krisrivel(at)gmail.com
>>     <mailto:krisrivel(at)gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>         Yeah but I'm sure they had "some" reason to switch back to
>>         Maya.  More artists?  Maybe they had pipeline issues with
>>         XSI?  Maybe the supervisor hates XSI?  In fact...maybe one of
>>         the superiors is sleeping with someone from
>>         Autodesk?...hey...ya never know!
>>
>>         For most places...they don't want to fix what isn't broken.
>>         They may or may not know that there are superior tools out
>>         there but the bottom line is that they are there to make
>>         money.  Their current pipeline works and they won't change it
>>         unless something can significantly save them money in
>>         production costs.  Hopefully, with Softimage's new pricing
>>         scheme and possibly Moondust, things will change.  If you can
>>         break it down and show just how much time and money you can
>>         save with software A vs. software B, then the superiors might
>>         consider it, even if it does mean re-training some of their team.
>>
>>         Kris
>>
>>
>>         On 8/29/07, *karlnrose* <karlnrose(at)bluewin.ch
>>         <mailto:karlnrose(at)bluewin.ch> > wrote:
>>
>>             I see your point Kim, but as I said we worked with XSI on
>>             a title and
>>             then it was decided to move back to Maya for the next
>>             version of the
>>             game franchise. To me that's like deciding that 8-track
>>             tapes are
>>             superior to CD's. Maya has it's strengths, but not from a
>>             gaming point
>>             of view (imho).
>>
>>             Karl.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             kim aldis wrote:
>>             >
>>             > Same reason it's been taking a while in the movies; it
>>             takes a while
>>             > and a lot of want to change pipelines at that level.
>>             >
>>             > *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>>             <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>
>>             [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM
>>             <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>] *On
>>             > Behalf Of *karlnrose
>>             > *Sent:* 29 August 2007 19:25
>>             > *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>>             > *Subject:* Re: Industry needs more xsi artists!
>>             >
>>             > What I don't understand is why XSI isn't more popular
>>             with game
>>             > studios? It's got fantastic poly tools not to mention the
>>             texturing is
>>             > smooth as butter. There are some great game dev features,
>>             yet most
>>             > game studios are still using Max or Maya. I used to work
>>             for EA Canada
>>             > and one of the games I worked on was done in XSI and then
>>             they decided
>>             > to switch to Maya for the next release of the game. Now I
>>             use Maya a
>>             > work all day every day (my boss's choice not mine), and I
>>             have to say
>>             > that the poly tools in Maya are lacking as is the uv
>>             editor. I know
>>             > that some games (great game titles like Half Life 2) were
>>             made in XSI,
>>             > but the majority of developers still don't use XSI.
>>             Waddup with that?
>>             >
>>             > Karl.
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Meng-Yang Lu wrote:
>>             >
>>             > Wow...sending out an SOS!
>>             >
>>             > There are some studios here using XSI, and lately, I've
>>             found it to be
>>             > more and more users that I originally thought. It doesn't
>>             seem like
>>             > there's a shortage of XSI users, but maybe the amount of
>>             work at XSI
>>             > shops have outgrown our little talent supply. A few of
>>             the smaller
>>             > 5-10 man shops here are planning to expand, so the
>>             growth, from my
>>             > perspective, is definitely there.
>>             >
>>             > Maybe the List isn't where this should be posted, but I
>>             know its the
>>             > highest concentration of experienced XSI users. You could
>>             probably
>>             > formulate your post on CGTalk in General Discussion to
>>             entice the
>>             > various user community to switch over. The consensus is
>>             that there are
>>             > no XSI jobs, but given your case, it's not true. Simply
>>             put, XSI
>>             > Skills = Jobs in NYC, and maybe you'll get a few bites.
>>             >
>>             > And maybe if Softimage would like to host training
>>             sessions like
>>             > SideFX is doing, that wouldn't hurt either to expose
>>             interested users
>>             > to the application. This has been discussed to death
>>             before, but we
>>             > haven't really express the demand for good XSI users to
>>             non-XSI users.
>>             > I'll be switching back to XSI after serving out my
>>             sentence here at a
>>             > Maya shop.
>>             >
>>             > It's been a busy year this year for CG. And if anyone
>>             knows of FX
>>             > artists that know Realflow, Syflex, or simulation of that
>>             ilk, send
>>             > them my way. :-P
>>             >
>>             > -Lu
>>             >
>>             > On 8/29/07, *Kris Rivel* < krisrivel(at)gmail.com
>>             <mailto:krisrivel(at)gmail.com>
>>             > 
<mailto:krisrivel(at)gmail.com>>             <mailto:krisrivel(at)gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             > We really need to get some more experienced and talented
>>             XSI artists,
>>             > especially here in NYC. I normally might not bring
>>             attention to it
>>             > since being an XSI artist in NYC means guaranteed work
>>             and I like
>>             > being in demand but it seems there's been a huge demand
>>             for XSI talent
>>             > here in the city and elsewhere. I'm not trying to toot my
>>             horn but
>>             > I've turned down at least 6 or 8 offers for work in the
>>             past week...no
>>             > lie. I'm handling more than one job often and way too
>>             booked to
>>             > consider anything else for at least another month or two.
>>             What little
>>             > XSI freelancers I do know, are all booked or have moved
>>             on to
>>             > full-time positions here or in other parts of the
>>             country. Now I don't
>>             > want the opposite to happen either where there are too
>>             many artists
>>             > but I'm starting to wonder if this shortage can be more
>>             damaging. If
>>             > nobody can ever find an xsi artist, nobody will use xsi
>>             anymore.
>>             > So...if you're looking for a life change, know XSI and
>>             can hit the
>>             > ground running.....come to NYC and HELP!
>>             >
>>             > Kris
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>
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