>I also wish I had more time to devote to learning a language properly but the reality is that I will never probably have time to do so.
Hi Kris,
y = "you understand "
m = "my code"
if( y + m)
LogMessage( "you will learn scripting fast")
LogMessage("cheers")
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Guillaume Laforge | La Maison
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:57:54 -0400, "Kris Rivel" <krisrivel(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> I would love to see an XSI TD/scripting book or series of books...either
> online or in print. I know that Bernard and others have suggested to me
> in
> the past to just start with learning the basics of Jscript or Python and
> not
> focus on XSI....that its difficult to learn the language and XSI model at
> the same time. While I agree thats probably the best approach, in
> reality,
> I probably don't have time to really spend learning the language from
> scratch. I would love a book that starts out with basics as they pertain
> to
> XSI with lots of examples. I'm a very casual scripter and I usually just
> want to do a little scripting to automate a somewhat mindless task like
> looping through selections, etc. I think there's quite a lot of pure
> artist
> types out there that could benefit from a little "hold your hand" approach
> to scripting as it pertains to XSI. Its only now that I wish I took some
> programming classes when in school. I also wish I had more time to devote
> to learning a language properly but the reality is that I will never
> probably have time to do so.
>
> Kris
>
> On 8/30/07, Serguei Kalentchouk <serguei.kalentchouk(at)ubisoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Generally as someone with an interest in producing educational material
>> I would like to participate in a collaborative project like this.
>> I do agree with Bernard though, wiki is more like a reference than an
>> educational resource, which in itself is great. But a solid TD book
>> would go much further to getting new artists or users coming from other
>> packages up and running with XSI. Speaking from personal experience I
>> don't know where I would be without the Scripting DVD by Mathee Helge
>> which was a great primer to me for XSI scripting. So something more
>> in-depth and perhaps covering workflow in a few languages (JScript,
>> Python and C# would be a great combo) would be great!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf
>> Of Bernard Lebel
>> Sent: August 30, 2007 1:14 PM
>> To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
>> Subject: Re: Scripting book (was: Industry needs more xsi artists!)
>>
>> The problem is that the wiki doesn't really "teach" subjects, but
>> rather "discusses" them. Generally, good familiarity with scripting
>> and the object model is assumed. In essence the wiki is formatted more
>> like a reference than training material.
>>
>> For a book I thought more of training material, where you get from
>> point A to point Z accross the entire book. Basically the entire book
>> would evolve around a project that includes all typical steps of a
>> production. The book would focus on explaining how to use scripting at
>> every such steps to help the project.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/07, Greg Smith <greg(at)stanwinston.com> wrote:
>> > personally I think a online wiki where a community provides a lot of
>> the
>> > content would suffice, that way when people find better ways to do
>> > something that referencee can be immediately updated and shared with
>> the
>> > community. As a python scripter I've ran in to a lot roadblocks with
>> the
>> > manuals considering that 90 percent of the examples are in vbscript or
>> > jscript. And of the examples that are in python, they really don't
>> take
>> > advantage of working in a object model or don't leave me hanging as
>> far
>> > as what one can do with a given parameter. I remember it took me a
>> while
>> > to figure out how to get the file path of a pass in v6 because I had
>> > really no documentation to show how.
>> >
>> > So far even though the XSIwiki doesn't go very far with scripting,
>> what
>> > it does have on there, had been a gem for me. It was much easier to
>> find
>> > what I need there, than scrubbing through the documentation. what I
>> > think would be cool is since it would be that users could contribute
>> > tips and tricks to make more efficient scripts like in python its
>> faster
>> > to join multiple string variables with a ''.join([A,B,C]) than just A
>> +
>> > B + C.
>> >
>> > thats just my thoughts of it all
>> >
>> > Greg
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 11:55 -0400, Bernard Lebel wrote:
>> > > I agree that such a book could be great. However having authored
>> > > tutorials myself.....
>> > >
>> > > Even if I knew deeply all the subjects you mentioned, I'm not sure
>> I'd
>> > > ever want to write such a book. The XSI scripting community is so
>> > > small that I don't think there would be any point for the author in
>> > > spending so much time on such a big project.
>> > >
>> > > The problem is that you have to cover the basics very well,
>> otherwise
>> > > newbies are frustrated. And then you have to offer significantly
>> > > advanced exercices, otherwise the intermediate/advanced users are
>> > > frustrated. So you end up selling very little copies, and all that
>> > > time spent doing that doesn't get any return. And please don't tell
>> me
>> > > about doing it for the principle or the prosperity of the community,
>> > > my time has value to me and there is no way it's going to be
>> > > compensated other than by selling copies.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps an alternative could to gather several authors and create
>> > > something alike the programming cookbooks. That might work. Each
>> > > subject would be covered by a different expert. But then again, do
>> not
>> > > expect any reasonable compensation for that......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > My two cents
>> > > Bernard
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 8/30/07, Raffaele Scaduto-Medola <raffaele(at)inch.com> wrote:
>> > > > Just 2 add my two cents, since I am still struggling to train some
>> of our
>> > > > TDs, and develloper, what I would really like to see a XSI Script
>> manual.
>> > > > we use the online documentation as reference, but it would be
>> really
>> > > > usefull to have someone write a XSI scripting book (in JScript or
>> Python,
>> > > > forget VBScript ever existed) explaining with lots of examples how
>> to
>> > > > object script in XSI. The categories/chapters should follow the
>> production
>> > > > workflow (model, rig,layout,animate,render,utility).
>> > > > It would really help to have that kind of organisation in the
>> > > > documentation so scripting TDs could quickly find examples of how
>> to
>> > > > access tools based on production workflow, and discover related
>> one they
>> > > > may not know about.
>> > > >
>> > > > I also agree with Brad, on the we need something with the "how the
>> hell
>> > > > did they do this factor".
>> > > > My two cents.
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > > RSM
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