Re: Scripting book (was: Industry needs more xsi artists!)

["peter boeykens" <peter_b(at)skynet.be>]

eh syntax error :-) ?

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From: "Guillaume Laforge" <guillaume(at)alamaison.fr>
To: <XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Scripting book (was: Industry needs more xsi artists!)



> I also wish I had more time to devote to learning a language properly but 
> the reality is that I will never probably have time to do so.

Hi Kris,

y = "you understand "
m = "my code"
if( y + m)
LogMessage( "you will learn scripting fast")

LogMessage("cheers")

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Guillaume Laforge | La Maison

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:57:54 -0400, "Kris Rivel" <krisrivel(at)gmail.com> 
wrote:
> I would love to see an XSI TD/scripting book or series of books...either
> online or in print.  I know that Bernard and others have suggested to me
> in
> the past to just start with learning the basics of Jscript or Python and
> not
> focus on XSI....that its difficult to learn the language and XSI model at
> the same time.  While I agree thats probably the best approach, in
> reality,
> I probably don't have time to really spend learning the language from
> scratch.  I would love a book that starts out with basics as they pertain
> to
> XSI with lots of examples.  I'm a very casual scripter and I usually just
> want to do a little scripting to automate a somewhat mindless task like
> looping through selections, etc.  I think there's quite a lot of pure
> artist
> types out there that could benefit from a little "hold your hand" approach
> to scripting as it pertains to XSI.  Its only now that I wish I took some
> programming classes when in school.  I also wish I had more time to devote
> to learning a language properly but the reality is that I will never
> probably have time to do so.
>
> Kris
>
> On 8/30/07, Serguei Kalentchouk <serguei.kalentchouk(at)ubisoft.com> wrote:
> > Generally as someone with an interest in producing educational material
> > I would like to participate in a collaborative project like this.
> > I do agree with Bernard though, wiki is more like a reference than an
> > educational resource, which in itself is great. But a solid TD book
> > would go much further to getting new artists or users coming from other
> > packages up and running with XSI. Speaking from personal experience I
> > don't know where I would be without the Scripting DVD by Mathee Helge
> > which was a great primer to me for XSI scripting. So something more
> > in-depth and perhaps covering workflow in a few languages (JScript,
> > Python and C# would be a great combo) would be great!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On Behalf
> > Of Bernard Lebel
> > Sent: August 30, 2007 1:14 PM
> > To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
> > Subject: Re: Scripting book (was: Industry needs more xsi artists!)
> >
> > The problem is that the wiki doesn't really "teach" subjects, but
> > rather "discusses" them. Generally, good familiarity with scripting
> > and the object model is assumed. In essence the wiki is formatted more
> > like a reference than training material.
> >
> > For a book I thought more of training material, where you get from
> > point A to point Z accross the entire book. Basically the entire book
> > would evolve around a project that includes all typical steps of a
> > production. The book would focus on explaining how to use scripting at
> > every such steps to help the project.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/07, Greg Smith <greg(at)stanwinston.com> wrote:
> > > personally I think a online wiki where a community provides a lot of
> > the
> > > content would suffice, that way when people find better ways to do
> > > something that referencee can be immediately updated and shared with
> > the
> > > community. As a python scripter I've ran in to a lot roadblocks with
> > the
> > > manuals considering that 90 percent of the examples are in vbscript or
> > > jscript. And of the examples that are in python, they really don't
> > take
> > > advantage of working in a object model or don't leave me hanging as
> > far
> > > as what one can do with a given parameter. I remember it took me a
> > while
> > > to figure out how to get the file path of a pass in v6 because I had
> > > really no documentation to show how.
> > >
> > > So far even though the XSIwiki doesn't go very far with scripting,
> > what
> > > it does have on there, had been a gem for me. It was much easier to
> > find
> > > what I need there, than scrubbing through the documentation. what I
> > > think would be cool is since it would be that users could contribute
> > > tips and tricks to make more efficient scripts like in python its
> > faster
> > > to join multiple string variables with a ''.join([A,B,C]) than just A
> > +
> > > B + C.
> > >
> > > thats just my thoughts of it all
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 11:55 -0400, Bernard Lebel wrote:
> > > > I agree that such a book could be great. However having authored
> > > > tutorials myself.....
> > > >
> > > > Even if I knew deeply all the subjects you mentioned, I'm not sure
> > I'd
> > > > ever want to write such a book. The XSI scripting community is so
> > > > small that I don't think there would be any point for the author in
> > > > spending so much time on such a big project.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that you have to cover the basics very well,
> > otherwise
> > > > newbies are frustrated. And then you have to offer significantly
> > > > advanced exercices, otherwise the intermediate/advanced users are
> > > > frustrated. So you end up selling very little copies, and all that
> > > > time spent doing that doesn't get any return. And please don't tell
> > me
> > > > about doing it for the principle or the prosperity of the community,
> > > > my time has value to me and there is no way it's going to be
> > > > compensated other than by selling copies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps an alternative could to gather several authors and create
> > > > something alike the programming cookbooks. That might work. Each
> > > > subject would be covered by a different expert. But then again, do
> > not
> > > > expect any reasonable compensation for that......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My two cents
> > > > Bernard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/30/07, Raffaele Scaduto-Medola <raffaele(at)inch.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just 2 add my two cents, since I am still struggling to train some
> > of our
> > > > > TDs, and develloper, what I would really like to see a XSI Script
> > manual.
> > > > > we use the online documentation as reference, but it would be
> > really
> > > > > usefull to have someone write a XSI scripting book (in JScript or
> > Python,
> > > > > forget VBScript ever existed) explaining with lots of examples how
> > to
> > > > > object script in XSI. The categories/chapters should follow the
> > production
> > > > > workflow (model, rig,layout,animate,render,utility).
> > > > > It would really help to have that kind of organisation in the
> > > > > documentation so scripting TDs could quickly find examples of how
> > to
> > > > > access tools based on production workflow, and discover related
> > one they
> > > > > may not know about.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also agree with Brad, on the we need something with the "how the
> > hell
> > > > > did they do this factor".
> > > > > My two cents.
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > RSM
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