Re: Ragdoll any experiencies?

[André Adam <a_adam(at)49games.de>]

We have been using endorphin in the past for various projects. It's 
amazing at letting characters fall/crash/collide. It supports dotXSI as 
an exchange layer. The data then basically behaves like MoCap, the 
animation will be plotted straight onto the primary skeleton, which you 
import back into XSI as a hierachy of nulls. You can then use that 
hierachy to constrain back your original characters. At the time we have 
been using it, Natural Motion offered so called "rush licenses", 
basically unlocking the software for a month our so at a very affordable 
price. To establish a well-working pipeline and getting started with 
endorphin (basically learning how to create own character templates) a 
week or so should be sufficient. From then on, you can create hundrets 
of believable crashing animations in a single day of work.

   -André


Kris Rivel wrote:
> Anyone using Endorphin or something geared towards rag-dolls?  If so, 
> how well does it work with XSI?  Sounds like having rag doll like 
> performance built into xsi would be nice without the ridiculous set up 
> time.
>
> Kris
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 3:32 PM, kim aldis <xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk 
> <mailto:xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Version 5 and prior had an issue where it couldn't handle rigid
>     bodies that were in a hierarchy. If you're using 5 and you're
>     working on a ragdoll then it's probably in a hierarchy which means
>     you're probably stuffed. If you're in 6 I wouldn't like to say
>     without having tried it on a ragdoll setup but RBDs are pretty
>     good in 6, if you have the patience.
>
>      
>
>     Caches can screw up. Any time I've done anything like this I've
>     kept a version of my RB setup prior to any caching so I can revert
>     to start with minimum of pain. It seemed to be the only reliable
>     way to fix cache problems.
>
>      
>
>     Don't use flat planes as collision objects and make sure you
>     subdivide any cubes. And be prepared to mess a lot with RB
>     properties.
>
>      
>
>     Have you committed to doing this or are you still testing.
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     *From:* owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>
>     [mailto: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>]
>     *On Behalf Of *Dan Yargici
>     *Sent:* 08 November 2007 17:41
>     *To:* XSI(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:XSI(at)Softimage.COM>
>
>     *Subject:* Re: Ragdoll any experiencies?
>
>      
>
>     I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but..... you will never
>     get this to work (in v5 at least.)
>
>     I wasted an entire week trying to do just this, and between myself
>     and support we simply couldn't do it...
>
>     If I remember correctly we may have had success using only
>     hinges... but I ended up with nothing that was useable in a
>     production.
>
>     They say that certain bugs were fixed in v6+ however I had the
>     opportunity to try one of the old scenes from that old project and
>     got the same results.
>
>     Sorry again!
>
>     DAN
>
>     On Nov 8, 2007 2:18 PM, Aidan Gibbons <aidang(at)the-mill.com
>     <mailto:aidang(at)the-mill.com>> wrote:
>
>     Try saving on Frame 1 and then restarting XSI. I have had similar
>     issues with RBs in 602 whereby i have a nice similation, dont
>     change anything at all but yet when i rewind and play again it
>     changes. Make sure you set initial state too. Very odd though i
>     dont understood why it sometimes happens..
>     ________________________________________
>     From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>
>     [owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM>] On
>     Behalf Of Ahmidou Lyazidi [ ahmidou.xsi(at)gmail.com
>     <mailto:ahmidou.xsi(at)gmail.com>]
>     Sent: 08 November 2007 13:04
>     To: xsi(at)Softimage.COM <mailto:xsi(at)Softimage.COM>
>     Subject: Ragdoll any experiencies?
>
>
>     Hi,
>     I have a shot where I have avout 20 characters (all the same) that
>     are falling on the floor, the I'm trying to use rigid bodys and
>     constraint.
>     I made my setup and it's working, now I want to duplicate it then
>     rotate and translate each one to haave some kind of random poses
>     at the
>     frame 1.
>     sometimes it's working, sometimes not, (the simulation is screwed up)
>     any advice or experiences?
>
>     Thanks
>     A.

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