Re: Hardware - Graphics card advice

[Julien Stiegler <julien.stiegler(at)free.fr>]

Hey ,
that's interesting.
I have made a movie on xsi5.11 with quadro FX card recently.
There was no problem. With the dinosaurs alone, the scene was already 
more than 200 000 polygons big.
With the additional school of fish made with particle instancing and the 
great openGL Realtime instance display addon from motionblur, this added 
like 500 000 polys to the GL viewport (and using this addon it plays in 
realtime).
I am now reopening the scenes in xsi 6.5, (of course i need to recreate 
some scripted oooops... ).
I am experiencing strange artifacts (black faces) sometimes with both 
quadro and 8800 cards but i can't  determine the cause, i for sure have 
seen similar issues on quadro as well.. I didn't have much time for 
investigations.

Mikko Ronkainen wrote:

> Having also previously owned 8800 gts SC, it could barely match even 
> the  low end quadros concerning high polycount OGL interaction. Per 
> poly price  is lower in quadro range and gf 8800 was not that much 
> better from gf 6xxx  series cards clocked the same. Realtime shaders I 
> don't use that much and  might be a different story, seriously gf is 
> still a game card. Hardly none  believes, but what do I care. Instead 
> of benchmarking utilities, or  listening the loud majority, try to get 
> a test by yourself and try with  the softwares and conditions you use. 
> Depends on your needs. Current  animation workstation investment went 
> to highest performance per cpu core  and as good quadro I could get, 
> if I had to decide now. I'm poor enough to  know. Again rendering is 
> another story. Moondust is something we mortal  people don't know about.
>
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:42:12 +0200, Matt Morris <mattmos(at)gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> > Well, from my limited experience, its higher polycount models that  
> > benefit -
> > viewport navigation around dense models was a lot smoother for me 
> > once  I'd
> > swapped cards from 8800gtx to quadro 4500 (5fps to 40fps in shaded 
> > view).
> > Animation playback wasn't affected so much because its more cpu  
> > dependent.
> > There were also a couple of niggles I was having (one selection issue 
> > in  the
> > AE and a glitch in xray shaded view that only came up occasionally 
> > that  were
> > resolved with the quadro. Power requirements for the 8800 cards are  
> > crazy,
> > plus it was a LOT hotter. No serious issues though, apart from 
> > fitting  it in
> > the case!
> >
> >  In all probably not worth it for full price quadro cards, unless your
> > company is willing to shell out.
> >
> >
> > On 30/01/2008, Gerbrand Nel <gerbrand(at)sphere-animation.com> wrote:
> >
> > > SH#t...
> > > thanx for the info.
> > > would you guys say that the quadro cards are that much better for xsi
> > > than the gaming cards.... I've been doing 3d for 8 years and have never
> > > used a quadro. so far the gaming cards seemed fine
> > > Where exactly would one see the difference between a geforce 8800 gt 
> > > and
> > > a quadro fx 3500m except the price tag....?
> > > G
> > >
> > > Matt Morris wrote:
> > > > sli won't help at all unfortunately - its a games thing
> > > >
> > > > On 30/01/2008, *Gerbrand Nel* <gerbrand(at)sphere-animation.com
> > > > <mailto:gerbrand(at)sphere-animation.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     Not to hog this thread but:
> > > >     does anyone know if using two cards link with the sli 
> > > "thingy"  makes
> > > a
> > > >     difference in xsi, and does it make enough of a difference to
> > > warrant
> > > >     the extra cost. I'm looking into the dell xps m1730 and they 
> > > have  an
> > > >     option to run two graphics cards with sli, but I've never tested
> > > >     the sli
> > > >     theory in xsi
> > > >
> > > >     G
> > > >
> > > >     Matt Morris wrote:
> > > >     > Sorry, meant to add, the geforce 8800 cards are ok, but the  
> > > opengl
> > > >     > performance is pretty bad, and they do run hot. I ended up
> > > swapping
> > > >     > out my 8800gtx and don't regret it.
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     > On 30/01/2008, *Matt Morris* <mattmos(at)gmail.com
> > > >     <mailto:mattmos(at)gmail.com>
> > > >     > <mailto:mattmos(at)gmail.com <mailto:mattmos(at)gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > >     >
> > > >     >     Hello fabrice!
> > > >     >
> > > >     >     The 4600 has got a decent rep, but the newest firegl 
> > > ati  cards
> > > >     >     (v5600, v7600, v8600) are beating it in performance and
> > > >     price - I
> > > >     >     just don't know anyone who's using them with xsi to comment
> > > >     on the
> > > >     >     display drivers etc.
> > > >     >
> > > >     >     Is it for the company or personal? I picked up a dirt cheap
> > > >     quadro
> > > >     >     4500 on ebay, always one option :)
> > > >     >
> > > >     >     cheers
> > > >     >     matt
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >     On 30/01/2008, *Fabrice Altman* <fabrice(at)studioaka.co.uk
> > > >     <mailto:fabrice(at)studioaka.co.uk>
> > > >     >     <mailto:fabrice(at)studioaka.co.uk
> > > >     <mailto:fabrice(at)studioaka.co.uk>>> wrote:
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         Hi list,
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         here we go again.
> > > >     >         What would be your recommendations for a pro 
> > > graphics  card
> > > >     >         without paying
> > > >     >         top crazy price for an Quadro FX5600  ?
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         It would be used for all XSI general tasks ( model,
> > > >     anim, sim
> > > >     >         etc...) on medium to heavy scenes.
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         I read from older posts that the Quadro FX 4600 has 
> > > good
> > > all
> > > >     >         round performance.
> > > >     >         What about ATI cards ? Anyone using those ?
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         Is there still a huge performance/stability gap with
> > > Geforce
> > > >     >         cards ?
> > > >     >
> > > >     >         Thanks in advance ,
> > > >     >         F.
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
> > > >     >
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