It's like heading towards the whisky end of Christmas Day with the family.
A.
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From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM on behalf of kim aldis
Sent: Thu 21/02/2008 20:06
To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
Subject: RE: Softimage community - question to Softimage
I didn't say it's not working for anybody, obviously it is. But I did say,
don't make the mistake of believing I'm the only one thinks this way.
I didn't ditch it, I just decided not to hang out there anymore.
Do you guys really believe that you don't have a problem here or is it just
that you're happy with it the way it is. If it's the latter then fine, you
carry on but don't complain if some people don't like it or if someone else
offers something else, Bernard.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On
> Behalf Of Bernard Lebel
> Sent: 21 February 2008 19:40
> To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
> Subject: Re: Softimage community - question to Softimage
>
> Not because you ditched xsibase mean it's not working for anybody.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 2:26 PM, kim aldis <xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Come on Raf, pleading 'you shouldn't criticise XSIbase because we've
> all
> > worked jolly hard' is pushing it a bit, don't you think? Everyone
> > appreciates the work you've all put in over the years but if it's not
> > working, it's not working.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't make the mistake of believing I'm the only one who thinks this
> way.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On
> Behalf Of
> > Raffael Dickreuter
> > Sent: 21 February 2008 18:14
> > To: XSI(at)Softimage.COM
> > Subject: Re: Softimage community - question to Softimage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > interesting to hear this rant from and veteran who should know much
> better
> > than this: " XSIbase is now actively encouraging people not to think
> for
> > themselves, not to use and exercise their minds, to take the easy
> option and
> > to become less
> > skilled at what they do. XSIbase is the largest XSI resource out
> there
> > right now, it's hugely influential. I dread to think what it's doing
> to the
> > talent pool."
> >
> > sorry pal, but a statement like this is just a plain insult to
> people like
> > us who spent an enormous effort in the past 6 years to promote the
> xsi
> > community, help people connect, from organizing user groups to
> investing
> > providing a free service for the community. If XSIbase was not here
> and was
> > the most active place to promote XSI with all its editorial content,
> jobs
> > etc then I dont know what other place that was. Hearing this from a
> > respected pro like you I am quite surprised. It's very easy to judge,
> being
> > out there "I want this and that, the site should be x and y" is quite
> a
> > different matter than actually creating something like that, and
> keeping it
> > going. Day in day out, for years is quite another, unpaid of course.
> >
> > XSIbase as always for promoting xsi and the community and that
> softimage is
> > finally taking effort in this area, after years is a great thing to
> see. Of
> > course its a bit surprising that what has come about is not something
> new,
> > which is what I think most people had hoped for. But what is not yet
> the
> > case can maybe emerge from that. So I wish them the best of luck with
> that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:07 AM, kim aldis <xsi(at)kim-aldis.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Like Steve, I'm not Softimage but I'll venture an opinion anyway.
> Will you
> > shout at me like you shouted at Steve? I thought it was quite funny
> :
> >
> > Possibly they believe it's a free world and they can if they like.
> > Possibly they believe they can do better, it couldn't be hard after
> all.
> > Maybe they believe that what is out there is helping to promote XSI
> as a
> > hobbyist tool, putting it in a bad light and maybe they believe that
> to be
> > detrimental to their product. I know it would freak the hell out of
> me.
> > Maybe they thought an official forum would be a good idea.
> > Possibly they don't like the way what's currently out is shaping up.
> > Maybe they just want the best for the community.
> > Possibly, why the hell shouldn't they.
> >
> > So far it seems to be shaping up pretty well, even at this early
> stage.
> >
> >
> >
> > > don't tell me that this is a turn off,
> >
> > That a prominent XSIbase moderator feels the need to say something
> like this
> > at all says a great deal about XSIbase and the reason it's in the
> state
> > it's
> > in. It's a massive turn off, Bernard. Huge. How could you think that
> it's
> > not? So is the noise which is left to run out of control by an
> almost total
> > lack of any kind of useful moderation - unless you call waiting for
> a
> > thread
> > to run totally out of control then slamming it shut with a
> dictatorial and
> > unpleasant comment.
> >
> > High end pros have left XSIbase in droves, there's nothing there for
> them,
> > no reason for them to go and too much unfettered noise and infantile
> > comment.
> >
> > Doesn't it occur to you that there's no activity on your 'special'
> sections
> > because they're the wrong solution? How is separating the real XSI
> > experience away from the general population - where it can be of
> most use -
> > a good thing?
> >
> > <personal rant>
> > XSIbase right now is promoting poor practice in a most unpleasant
> way. 3D
> > CGI, more than anything else is a job where you solve problems.
> You're
> > presented with a problem, it's your job to work out a solution. The
> better
> > you are at problem and puzzle solving the better you are at your
> job.
> > Getting good at problem solving requires practice, if you want your
> mind to
> > work well you need to exercise it. XSIbase has become the place to
> go when
> > you can't be arsed to do a bit of work, when you want someone else
> to do
> > your thinking for you. Try suggesting someone read the relevant
> manual
> > section as part of the solution, you get stomped all over, the
> thread turns
> > into a RTFM flame fest and a moderator, instead of quietly guiding
> it back
> > on track, shuts the thread down. Contrary to XSIBase's own rules.
> Point
> > someone in the right direction by all means but don't do the job for
> them.
> > XSIbase is now actively encouraging people not to think for
> themselves, not
> > to use and exercise their minds, to take the easy option and to
> become less
> > skilled at what they do. XSIbase is the largest XSI resource out
> there
> > right
> > now, it's hugely influential. I dread to think what it's doing to
> the
> > talent
> > pool.
> > </personal rant>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM [mailto:owner-xsi(at)Softimage.COM] On
> > > Behalf Of Bernard Lebel
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sent: 21 February 2008 04:10
> > > To: xsi
> > > Subject: Softimage community - question to Softimage
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've been following the discussions here and on xsibase about the
> new
> > > Softimage NET community.
> > >
> > > It's true, the xsibase resources system is in very, very bad
> shape. It
> > > sucks. And its been like that for a while.
> > > The xsibase search engine also has severe shortcomings. It sucks.
> In
> > > fact, it could never get a decent search engine (that is, one that
> > > would make a majority of users happy).
> > > And yes, an important proportion of the xsibase users are
> hobbyists,
> > > students, enthusiastics, warez users, teenagers, and such. But
> please
> > > don't tell me that this is a turn off, the Oldies list has been
> dead
> > > for ages, the senior private section on xsilounge never got one
> post,
> > > and I remember that technical list that popped up for a short
> period
> > > of time, which got less than 10 threads.
> > >
> > >
> > > With all that has been said, I demand *Softimage* to tell the
> list,
> > > xsibase, cgtalk, highend3d, xsilounge, xsiarabia, 3dvf, and all
> the
> > > xsiwhatever forums, why you created yet another *forum*. Why,
> that's
> > > it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Bernard
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